Digital BW, The Print

Just received my 1160 CIS replacement cartridges after MIS sent me
incompatible ones a few weeks ago, Ive followed the instructions and
vacuumed filled my cartridges, and im letting the cartridges to settle
before testing them tomorrow, however im rather concerned over the
retraction of ink in the C&M tubes, one has retracted 7 inches, and the
other one 5, just wondering is that normal? or has there been an air leak?
(in the instructions it mentions something about ink retraction over half
way of the tubing, however that was referring to after the catridges had
been installed, which is not the case for me and the problem seems to have
occured earlier in the filling up stage)

Kevin.

Just to be absolutely clear, Kevin, these are CFS carts, as your 
subject line suggests, rather than CIS carts as mentioned below? 
"CIS" has become almost generic due to the success of 
NoMoreCarts.com's Continuous Ink Supply (CIS). But "CIS" is also 
still the name of the NoMoreCarts (NMC) product. I have two of these 
NMC CIS'es for the 1160 but don't remember retraction being mentioned 
in the documentation. And in any case, didn't get any, despite being 
"all thumbs", neither in the filling up stage nor after installing 
the carts in my 1160s.

I'm not suggesting the CIS is better than the CFS, which I think Jim 
Hayes prefers after much more experience than I've had. And I suspect 
both the CIS and the CFS are better than the reverse-engineered, 
no-manufacturer-named "knock off" cis'es I think are being sold by 
retailers who don't have NoMoreCarts' permission to sell the real CIS.

Sam McCandless                samcc@...

>Just received my 1160 CIS replacement cartridges [snip] (in the 
>instructions it mentions something about ink retraction over half 
>way of the tubing, however that was referring to after the catridges 
>had been installed, which is not the case for me and the problem 
>seems to have occured earlier in the filling up stage)
>
>Kevin.

If you had enough of a vacuum to permit the intial filling and then 
the ink retracted, the seal must not have been complete, permitting 
a slow leak.  Is it possible that the bottle caps were not 
completely closed allowing the the vacuum to be broken?

Andy 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Kevin" 
<imaginaryapple@i...> wrote:
> Just received my 1160 CIS replacement cartridges after MIS sent me
> incompatible ones a few weeks ago, Ive followed the instructions 
and
> vacuumed filled my cartridges, and im letting the cartridges to 
settle
> before testing them tomorrow, however im rather concerned over the
> retraction of ink in the C&M tubes, one has retracted 7 inches, 
and the
> other one 5, just wondering is that normal? or has there been an 
air leak?
> (in the instructions it mentions something about ink retraction 
over half
> way of the tubing, however that was referring to after the 
catridges had
> been installed, which is not the case for me and the problem seems 
to have

> occured earlier in the filling up stage)
> 
> Kevin.

That was what was happening to me. I had 3 defective CIS cartridges in a
row.  After filling the tube, the ink backed up when I filled the next
color. Indicates a collapse in the cartridge wall, and it won't hold a
vacuum, so no, it is not normal. I finally got lucky on the fourth
cartridge, and everything is working fine now.

Jerry

Kevin wrote:

> 
> Just received my 1160 CIS replacement cartridges after MIS sent me
> incompatible ones a few weeks ago, Ive followed the instructions and
> vacuumed filled my cartridges, and im letting the cartridges to settle
> before testing them tomorrow, however im rather concerned over the
> retraction of ink in the C&M tubes, one has retracted 7 inches, and the
> other one 5, just wondering is that normal? or has there been an air leak?
> (in the instructions it mentions something about ink retraction over half
> way of the tubing, however that was referring to after the catridges had
> been installed, which is not the case for me and the problem seems to have
> occured earlier in the filling up stage)
> 
> Kevin.
> 
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Actually both the CIS and CFS have their good and bad points. The CIS 
is less hassle. The CFS cheaper.

What is this thing with Piezo inks not absorbing in the 1280 sponges 
equally for all 1280 carts? If this affects all pigment inks, could be 
a real headache for the CFS. I guess Cone is going to make sure the 
CIS units are consistant? Any ideas on this?

To answer the retracting question, no, I only got maybe two-four inch 
air gap in some of my six tubes. But Kevin, you could have pinched 
your tubing farther downstream then I did, thus giving you more air 
gap.

My air gaps quickly went away after only a few cleaning cycles. And I 
don't seem to get the barometric pressure related retraction mentioned 
by MIS.

If you install the CFS and it doesn't print, you can remove the extra 
air using the MIS recovery method by removing carts and sucking out 
the ink/air through the bottom, but I have a feeling this won't be 
nessecary.

Some air in the cart is needed to prevent ink draining from bottles 
into printer. It acts as a siphon block, according to MIS.
Jim H.






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless" 
<samcc@v...> wrote:

> I'm not suggesting the CIS is better than the CFS, which I think Jim 
> Hayes prefers after much more experience than I've had. And I 
suspect 
> both the CIS and the CFS are better than the reverse-engineered, 
> no-manufacturer-named "knock off" cis'es I think are being sold by 
> retailers who don't have NoMoreCarts' permission to sell the real 
CIS.
> 
> Sam McCandless                samcc@v...
> 
> 
> >Just received my 1160 CIS replacement cartridges [snip] (in the 
> >instructions it mentions something about ink retraction over half 
> >way of the tubing, however that was referring to after the 
catridges 

> >had been installed, which is not the case for me and the problem 
> >seems to have occured earlier in the filling up stage)
> >
> >Kevin.

Okay, if it retracts after you fill it...I think I had a little of 
this, but not seven inches. So maybe Jerry gives better advice here, 
although the CIS and CFS carts may or may not be of different 
manufacture.
Jim H.




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> That was what was happening to me. I had 3 defective CIS cartridges 
in a
> row.  After filling the tube, the ink backed up when I filled the 
next
> color. Indicates a collapse in the cartridge wall, and it won't hold 
a
> vacuum, so no, it is not normal. I finally got lucky on the fourth
> cartridge, and everything is working fine now.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Kevin wrote:
> > 
> > Just received my 1160 CIS replacement cartridges after MIS sent me
> > incompatible ones a few weeks ago, Ive followed the instructions 
and
> > vacuumed filled my cartridges, and im letting the cartridges to 
settle
> > before testing them tomorrow, however im rather concerned over the
> > retraction of ink in the C&M tubes, one has retracted 7 inches, 
and the
> > other one 5, just wondering is that normal? or has there been an 
air leak?
> > (in the instructions it mentions something about ink retraction 
over half
> > way of the tubing, however that was referring to after the 
catridges had
> > been installed, which is not the case for me and the problem seems 
to have
> > occured earlier in the filling up stage)
> > 
> > Kevin.
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
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