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your favorite film

2002-09-03 by richard cohen

i'm new to this group - and my bet is that you all have gone through this already umpteen times.  but i'm curious, and i'd like to do an informal survey -

(a) what b/w film are you using these days?

and (b) if you have a little more time to answer - any other experience/advice you can lend about types of b/w film and a dry darkroom would be helpful.  particularly the "heavies" TMX, TMY, CN400, XP2, HP5, delta.  and also, i've heard rave reviews about the agfa multispeed b/w slide film.

thanks to all for your help.  rc



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RE: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by Paul Roark

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  > (a) what b/w film are you using these days?



  Tech Pan for quality, T400CN for speed -- all in medium format.

  Paul
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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by wangalb

For me, T-Max 400 and 3200 for street photography and T400CN I'm 
learning about. 35mm format.
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>   Tech Pan for quality, T400CN for speed -- all in medium format.
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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by aitor Peña Inclán

Hi,
I wonder why use a B/N film. What about use a colour film  and convert it to
B/N digitally?.
Best
Aitor


El 4/9/02 18:14, "wangalb" <leica_phile@hotmail.com> escribió:
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>>   http://www.PaulRoark.com
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RE: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by Austin Franklin

Tri-X and Plus-X.  I also "use" Neopan 1600 for 35mm and Delta 3200 for 120,
but they just aren't the same as Tri-X and Plus-X.  I find Delta 100
exceptional too.

I believe the development is equally as critical as the film, and I develop
Tri-X and Plus-X in D-76 1:1.

Austin

Re[2]: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by Richard Sintchak

Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 9:19:52 AM, aitor Pe\ufffda Incl\ufffdn wrote:

aPI> Hi,
aPI> I wonder why use a B/N film. What about use a colour film  and convert it to
aPI> B/N digitally?.
aPI> Best
aPI> Aitor


Different characteristics, and that I can develop my B&W films easily
and quickly at home.

But that said I've been experimenting with converting color films to
B&W and have had some nice success.  In particular Kodak Portra 400NC
has worked quite well on a few subjects lately.

But for traditional B&W I like using Ilford HP5+ and Fuji Acros 100.

Best regards,
 Richard  

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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by Martin Wesley

rc,

As you can see there are many favorites and it really is the film/developer
combination that counts. For myself it is FP4+ with some Tmax 400 when I
need speed or want to do contracted development. I develop either in Gordon
Hutchings PMK pyro developer or my own pyro formula in a Jobo drum
processor.

In general, in developing film with scanning in mind, I would suggest you
decrease your film speed a bit, say 1/3 stop and reduce your developing
time. A classic N-1 development. The reason is that scanners do an amazing
job at pulling shadow detail from conventional B&W negatives but are rather
bad at blasting through dense highlight areas.

Martin Wesley

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----- Original Message -----
From: "richard cohen" <rsc236@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:44 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] your favorite film


>
> i'm new to this group - and my bet is that you all have gone through this
already umpteen times.  but i'm curious, and i'd like to do an informal
survey -
>
> (a) what b/w film are you using these days?
>
> and (b) if you have a little more time to answer - any other
experience/advice you can lend about types of b/w film and a dry darkroom
would be helpful.  particularly the "heavies" TMX, TMY, CN400, XP2, HP5,
delta.  and also, i've heard rave reviews about the agfa multispeed b/w
slide film.
>
> thanks to all for your help.  rc
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by lrryr@attbi.com

I have recently become quite enamored with FP4 and 
Dixactol. I love the tonality. Dixactol's a staining 
developer which diminishes the appearance of grain a 
good bit. The developing can be either two bath or one 
bath with very little agitation which holds back the 
highlights on those overexposed shots on a roll that 
would give difficulty scanning. Great stuff for the film 
to digital work flow.

Larry

Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by Ricardo Lagos

TMAX 100 if i want to do my own development
TCN-400 if i need to shoot handheld ..

from tcn-400 i get about the same grain structure and level than TMAX-100 ..
(all 35 mm) ..

-- ricardo

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> I have recently become quite enamored with FP4 and
> Dixactol. I love the tonality. Dixactol's a staining
> developer which diminishes the appearance of grain a
> good bit. The developing can be either two bath or one
> bath with very little agitation which holds back the
> highlights on those overexposed shots on a roll that
> would give difficulty scanning. Great stuff for the film
> to digital work flow.
>
> Larry
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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by shileshcjani

Martin and Others,

I have been using transparency (predominantly Fujichrome Velvia and 
some Provia) because it allows me the best option for color. Lately, 
however, I have found this solution less than perfect, particularly 
in the dense regions (shadows for tranparency, highlights for 
negative). I could upgrade my scanner from the current LS 2000 to LS 
4000 which supposedely had greater Dmax. Or, I could start using 
negative film. My understanding still is that b/w negative film 
cannot be scanned really well with the Nikon scanners. Not wanting to 
give up the terrific scanner for color, would color negative film be 
a good solution? If so, how does one go around getting N-1 conditions 
for color work? Would underexpsure of 1 stop, normal development cut 
it? Which color negative film?

I apologize for the long list of Q's. Would appreciate any feedback. 
Thank you.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> rc,
> 
> As you can see there are many favorites and it really is the 
film/developer
> combination that counts. For myself it is FP4+ with some Tmax 400 
when I
> need speed or want to do contracted development. I develop either 
in Gordon
> Hutchings PMK pyro developer or my own pyro formula in a Jobo drum
> processor.
> 
> In general, in developing film with scanning in mind, I would 
suggest you
> decrease your film speed a bit, say 1/3 stop and reduce your 
developing
> time. A classic N-1 development. The reason is that scanners do an 
amazing
> job at pulling shadow detail from conventional B&W negatives but 
are rather
> bad at blasting through dense highlight areas.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard cohen" <rsc236@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:44 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] your favorite film
> 
> 
> >
> > i'm new to this group - and my bet is that you all have gone 
through this
> already umpteen times.  but i'm curious, and i'd like to do an 
informal
> survey -
> >
> > (a) what b/w film are you using these days?
> >
> > and (b) if you have a little more time to answer - any other
> experience/advice you can lend about types of b/w film and a dry 
darkroom
> would be helpful.  particularly the "heavies" TMX, TMY, CN400, XP2, 
HP5,
> delta.  and also, i've heard rave reviews about the agfa multispeed 
b/w
> slide film.
> >
> > thanks to all for your help.  rc
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-04 by Moreno Polloni

> I have been using transparency (predominantly Fujichrome Velvia and
> some Provia) because it allows me the best option for color. Lately,
> however, I have found this solution less than perfect, particularly
> in the dense regions (shadows for tranparency, highlights for
> negative). I could upgrade my scanner from the current LS 2000 to LS
> 4000 which supposedely had greater Dmax. Or, I could start using
> negative film. My understanding still is that b/w negative film
> cannot be scanned really well with the Nikon scanners. Not wanting to
> give up the terrific scanner for color, would color negative film be
> a good solution? If so, how does one go around getting N-1 conditions
> for color work? Would underexpsure of 1 stop, normal development cut
> it? Which color negative film?

I'm using a Nikon scanner (the 8000), and most of my scans are B&W. The
quality of scans is very good, at least as good if not better than other
film scanners in it's class. I'm processing my own film and find that I get
better results from slightly denser negs than I would use for silver
printing. Others are using a variety of methods to scan B&W negs; from
scanning as a positive and inverting in Photoshop, to alternative software
programs (like Vuescan, for instance).

Before worrying too much about N-1 processing and such, you may wish to try
out some of the chromogenic B&W films. Just run them through the standard
C41 process, and you'll probably get good results with a minimum of effort

your favorite film

2002-09-05 by André Vallejo

Well,I've been making a lot of tests on this recently,concerning BW film X
Color film for BW printing. What I have to say after extensive comparison
using TMax,Delta,Provia and EVS,is that if you shoot in ideal light
conditions,you'll find not relevant differences,and the use of color film
gives you the advantage of ICE,which can be extremely time saving. I use a
Nikon 4000ED. The only thing this scanner doesn\ufffdt like very much is grainy
film. So,I now tend to use color slide,fine grained and use BW less and
less.
When shooting on harsh light or with too  much light difference ,then I
still may use Delta...

Andr\ufffd

RE: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-05 by Jim Panzer

I find ICE very useful also, and so I have started using more of the
chromogenic films like Porta BW 400.  I seem to get really good results and
I don't have to develop it at home which I find to be a real pleasure.
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] your favorite film


Well,I've been making a lot of tests on this recently,concerning BW film X
Color film for BW printing. What I have to say after extensive comparison
using TMax,Delta,Provia and EVS,is that if you shoot in ideal light
conditions,you'll find not relevant differences,and the use of color film
gives you the advantage of ICE,which can be extremely time saving. I use a
Nikon 4000ED. The only thing this scanner doesn´t like very much is grainy
film. So,I now tend to use color slide,fine grained and use BW less and
less.
When shooting on harsh light or with too  much light difference ,then I
still may use Delta...

André



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RE: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-05 by rsc236

is portra bw 400 any different from tcn400?  (or xp2 for that matter . . .
i've been using a ton of xp2 lately)
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  I find ICE very useful also, and so I have started using more of the
  chromogenic films like Porta BW 400.  I seem to get really good results
and
  I don't have to develop it at home which I find to be a real pleasure.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: André Vallejo [mailto:avs@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:12 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] your favorite film


  Well,I've been making a lot of tests on this recently,concerning BW film X
  Color film for BW printing. What I have to say after extensive comparison
  using TMax,Delta,Provia and EVS,is that if you shoot in ideal light
  conditions,you'll find not relevant differences,and the use of color film
  gives you the advantage of ICE,which can be extremely time saving. I use a
  Nikon 4000ED. The only thing this scanner doesn´t like very much is grainy
  film. So,I now tend to use color slide,fine grained and use BW less and
  less.
  When shooting on harsh light or with too  much light difference ,then I
  still may use Delta...

  André



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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-05 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

rsc236 wrote:

>is portra bw 400 any different from tcn400?  (or xp2 for that matter . . .
>
>  
>
Well the contrast ranges of the three emulsions are different are 
different..  As I understand it, TCN was tweaked for general scanning 
and silver halide prints, while PortraBW was tweaked to print neutrally 
on Professional level color papers, and to scan and print well in 
batches with other Portra films in a processing workflow

The t400CN is a bit more contrasty...

as with XP2, the Kodak chromagenic B&W films can be pushed or pulled to 
increase or decrease contrast significantly.

Of course, when I shoot B&W. it's primarily Kodak HIE developed in D-19 
and some additives.. ;-)

Keith
 



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Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-05 by Renan Lopes

Kodak has a Q&A in their home page and this answer is that.
Best
Renan

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/colorNegativeIndex.jhtml

rsc236 wrote:

> is portra bw 400 any different from tcn400?  (or xp2 for that matter . . .
> i've been using a ton of xp2 lately)

RE: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-05 by Ton Guiking

What about low light situations (in which I'm working quite often)? At
the moment I still use Tri-X and D-76 (or let's say: returned to it,
couldn't get the TMAX 400 developed in a satisfactory way, Tri x is more
forgiving) 
Best,
Ton Guiking
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> Van: André Vallejo [mailto:avs@...] 
> Verzonden: donderdag 5 september 2002 2:12
> Aan: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: [Digital BW] your favorite film
> 
> 
> Well,I've been making a lot of tests on this 
> recently,concerning BW film X Color film for BW printing. 
> What I have to say after extensive comparison using 
> TMax,Delta,Provia and EVS,is that if you shoot in ideal light 
> conditions,you'll find not relevant differences,and the use 
> of color film gives you the advantage of ICE,which can be 
> extremely time saving. I use a Nikon 4000ED. The only thing 
> this scanner doesn´t like very much is grainy film. So,I now 
> tend to use color slide,fine grained and use BW less and 
> less. When shooting on harsh light or with too  much light 
> difference ,then I still may use Delta...
> 
> André
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] your favorite film

2002-09-05 by andrevallejo

I think it goes in the same direction;if the light is low,but 
uniform,you can do with slide.But that's not the usual,so myself I'd 
use Delta 400,which has better grain then TX and grain is really an 
issue when scanning for printing quads...I've also used Delta 
3200,but the grain is a BIG problem there.Try a roll and see if you 
can live with it...

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wrote:
> What about low light situations (in which I'm working quite often)? 
At
> the moment I still use Tri-X and D-76 (or let's say: returned to it,
> couldn't get the TMAX 400 developed in a satisfactory way, Tri x is 
more
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> Best,
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