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Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-07 by Jerry Olson

Mark, are you printing an RGB image through one of Paul Roark's curves,
or just 
a straight grayscale without one of his curves?

Mark Romine wrote:
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> I have not been here to the list in some time but I wanted to see if
> there are any new remedies to the posterization problems. Using an 1160,
> 
> no longer Cone Piezo inks, way to many problems including ruining a
> printer trying to get rid of the greenies, clogs and posterization.
> Anyway, I have been using FS Quads for awhile and I had not been having
> a

Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-07 by lostpixels

Jerry:

No, a grey scale file through the Cone Piezo driver and profiles with MIS FS inks. Previously this was giving me very good results. Now I am 
getting the really flat look in the midtones and if you try and do a small curves bump to up the contrast you instantly get posterization. This is the 
same look that I have gotten before with Cone inks just prior to head clogs and the greenies (or whatever name this now has).

Thanks,
Mark

---Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
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> Mark, are you printing an RGB image through one of Paul Roark's curves,
> or just 
> a straight grayscale without one of his curves?

Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-07 by Jerry Olson

lostpixels wrote:
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> Jerry:
> 
> No, a grey scale file through the Cone Piezo driver and profiles with MIS FS inks. Previously this was giving me very good results. Now I am
> getting the really flat look in the midtones and if you try and do a small curves bump to up the contrast you instantly get posterization. This is the
> same look that I have gotten before with Cone inks just prior to head clogs and the greenies (or whatever name this now has).
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> ---Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Mark, are you printing an RGB image through one of Paul Roark's curves,
> > or just
> > a straight grayscale without one of his curves?
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-07 by Jerry Olson

Mark, I don't know why you are getting flat midtones. Something isn't
right though. There's so many reasons that it could be I don't know how
you'd track it down. Possibly a very small leak in one of the cartridges
making 2 inks practically the same color comes to mind. You might try
sending a scan to Paul Roark and ask him what he thinks. I always print
in RGB using one of his curves. I've had lots of problems, but not that
one. I did have the darkest 3 patches print nearly identical once, and
paul tweaked the curve a little and it went away.

Jerry

Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-08 by Mark Romine

Hi Jerry:

Jerry Olson wrote:

>  Mark, I don't know why you are getting flat midtones. Something isn't
>
> right though. There's so many reasons that it could be I don't know
> how
> you'd track it down. Possibly a very small leak in one of the
> cartridges
> making 2 inks practically the same color comes to mind. You might try
> sending a scan to Paul Roark and ask him what he thinks.

I do not believe I need a scan, which I can do on my drum scanner if
need be, I am getting the flat midtones printing the Cone 21 step grey
scale. I believe this to be a problem in the printer not with any file.

Thanks,
Mark

--
Mark Romine
MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
227 Fairway Drive
Bloomington, IL 61701
309-662-4258
http://www.markrominephoto.com



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Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-08 by Martin Wesley

Mark,

How long have you had the CIS installed? There have been some threads that
as preventive maintenance the cartridge portion of the CIS should be
replaced, the lines flushed and bottles flushed out and a fresh batch of ink
installed. If you go that far you might want to flush out the heads with a
syringe loaded with ammonia and water 1:10 followed by a rinse. Not fun or
cheap but it would hopefully put you back to a known state.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Romine" <klick3@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem


> Hi Jerry:
>
> Jerry Olson wrote:
>
> >  Mark, I don't know why you are getting flat midtones. Something isn't
> >
> > right though. There's so many reasons that it could be I don't know
> > how
> > you'd track it down. Possibly a very small leak in one of the
> > cartridges
> > making 2 inks practically the same color comes to mind. You might try
> > sending a scan to Paul Roark and ask him what he thinks.
>
> I do not believe I need a scan, which I can do on my drum scanner if
> need be, I am getting the flat midtones printing the Cone 21 step grey
> scale. I believe this to be a problem in the printer not with any file.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Romine
> MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
> 227 Fairway Drive
> Bloomington, IL 61701
> 309-662-4258
> http://www.markrominephoto.com
>
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Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-09 by Mark Romine

Martin:

Martin Wesley wrote:

>  Mark,

> If you go that far you might want to flush out the heads with a
> syringe loaded with ammonia and water 1:10 followed by a rinse.

When removing the CIS carts to flush out the heads does this break the
vacuum seal that is established when setting up this CIS? I did a
syringe head cleaning and now I can not get the printer to print
anything, no ink is going through the heads even after printing 20
attempts at the flush image.

Mark

--
Mark Romine
MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
227 Fairway Drive
Bloomington, IL 61701
309-662-4258
http://www.markrominephoto.com



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Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-09 by Martin Wesley

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Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem


> Martin:
>
> Martin Wesley wrote:
>
> >  Mark,
>
> > If you go that far you might want to flush out the heads with a
> > syringe loaded with ammonia and water 1:10 followed by a rinse.
>
> When removing the CIS carts to flush out the heads does this break the
> vacuum seal that is established when setting up this CIS? I did a
> syringe head cleaning and now I can not get the printer to print
> anything, no ink is going through the heads even after printing 20
> attempts at the flush image.
>
 Mark,

I am sorry this isn't going well. When I did this, putting the CIS
cartridges back in was like installing a new stubborn quad cartridge. It
took multiple cleanings and 3 purge prints to get everything firing but some
ink was coming through right away. When I took the CIS cartridges out I set
them up above on some paper towel and some the ink ran down the lines and
back into the bottles but when I started up the ink was pulled right back up
into the lines.

Make sure the cartridge socket is clean and that the cartridges are fully
seating. You can also try blowing on the vent lines on the CIS bottles to
gently pressurize the system and help the ink through. Other suggestion
would be to pop in some Epson carts and make sure they are firing to verify
the printer is working okay. Maybe print a purge page or two with the Epson
inks.

Martin
>

Re: [Digital BW] The Old Posterization Problem

2002-09-09 by Jerry Olson

Mark, I don't think it breaks the seal, as I've done this several times
without a hitch.

Jerry

There is precious little air left in the cartridge after it is once
filled by the vacuum  method, and the tiny bit that is in there is insignificant.







Mark Romine wrote:
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> 
> Martin:
> 
> Martin Wesley wrote:
> 
> >  Mark,
> 
> > If you go that far you might want to flush out the heads with a
> > syringe loaded with ammonia and water 1:10 followed by a rinse.
> 
> When removing the CIS carts to flush out the heads does this break the
> vacuum seal that is established when setting up this CIS? I did a
> syringe head cleaning and now I can not get the printer to print
> anything, no ink is going through the heads even after printing 20
> attempts at the flush image.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --
> Mark Romine
> MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
> 227 Fairway Drive
> Bloomington, IL 61701
> 309-662-4258
> http://www.markrominephoto.com
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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