Digital BW, The Print

> I have an Epson 1280.  I used up the supplied Epson color inks and 
> then switched to MIS VM.  On Paul Roarke's recommendation, I've been 
> using the Tyler Boley curves.  On Epson Matte Heavyweight they seem 
> to work well without tweaking (at least by my eyes).  However, I 
> recently compared some B&W prints done with the color inks to the MIS 
> prints.  The blacks were noticeably blacker in the color-ink prints.  
> So by going to MIS VM, I've lost the "greenies and magentas" in 
> various densities, but my blacks aren't quite as rich.
> 
> I think somebody mentioned a while back that they were using some 
> version of MIS Quad or Hex inks with the Epson black ink.  Supposedly 
> this gave better blacks.
> 
> Could someone confirm that this combination works well, and tell me 
> whether you had to tweak the curves to accomodate the Epson black?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Peter Klein
> Seattle, WA
> 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS VM inks with Epson black?


> Not epson black ink, but Generations Enhanced black ink.
>
> Jerry
>
> And yes, if you have a profile, the color inks do give better blacks
> than quad printing, but
> you must have a printer/paper profile to make it happen without
crossovers.

> > than quad printing, but
> > you must have a printer/paper profile to make it happen without
> crossovers.

> I'm finally printing with VM.  Very nice on scenics.
> 
> However, I'm not getting the blacks I want on my BW street photography, so I
> need more grit.
> 
> The Gen4 black sounds great, but I'm hesitant to spend on a profile at this
> time.  What exactly goes wrong when you incorporate Gen4 black without
> profiling?  Is there another way (an easier softer way) to solve the
> problem?
> 
> Glenn

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> Thanks, Jerry.
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> I experimented last night with a Contrast adjustment layer, and my
> landscapes got much better.  Even the street scenes improved.  But I think I
> will go eventually for the Gen 4 black.  I know this has been asked
> repeatedly on the list, but I can't find it:  can I just replace the MIS
> black with Gen 4, or should I replace the cart and bottle and flush the
> tubing?
> 
> Glenn
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS VM inks with Epson black?
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> > You only need a profile for color inksets.
> >
> > Try all the different media settings to see which gives you the best
> > blacks.  Backlight film will give you the deepest
> > black you can get, but posterizes on some images, not on others.  Give
> > it a try.
> >
> > Inkjet printing has one fault that is very hard to overcome. It just
> > doesn't deliver deep blacks like
> > the darkroom papers do.  Now if you were to use small gamut inks on
> > glossy paper, you could get superb
> > blacks, but only on glossy paper. Not for me.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Jerry,
> >
> > > I'm finally printing with VM.  Very nice on scenics.
> > >
> > > However, I'm not getting the blacks I want on my BW street photography,
> so I
> > > need more grit.
> > >
> > > The Gen4 black sounds great, but I'm hesitant to spend on a profile at
> this
> > > time.  What exactly goes wrong when you incorporate Gen4 black without
> > > profiling?  Is there another way (an easier softer way) to solve the
> > > problem?
> > >
> > > Glenn
> >
> > >
> > >
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