Digital BW, The Print

> 
> You say you've had arches hot press/Epson 1270 photos hanging in your
> house for several years. I assume that these photos exhibit fewer of
> the negative characteristics you mentioned concerning uncoated
> papers. If this is the case, how were you able to avoid those
> problems? Also, seems to me that high-key (no deep blacks or heavy
> shadows with detail) photos might be less likely to exhibit the
> defects characteristic of photos made with uncoated papers. Any
> evidence that this is the case?
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> > Right, I just did a similar thing...but I (and Antonis) agree that
> the
> > Somerset Velvet texture doesn't look great coated.
> >
> > You might try Arches Hot Press 90...I believe they have a white one
> now, so
> > you don't have to use the natural color...altough its possible that
> the
> > white may only be available in cold press (textured).  The 90
> (185gm) should
> > go through your 3000 much like EAM.  There is also a 140
> (300gm)...I used to
> > go through this by the case back in my drawing days.
> >
> > The problem with all of these papers relative to coated inkjet
> papers,
> > however, is posterization, poor shadow detail and blotching.  That
> said,
> > I've had arches hot press/Epson 1270 photos hanging in my house for
> several
> > years now.  I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could make it
> work...It
> > would be a lot cheaper...that's for sure.  What you will really
> need for
> > this is a RIP though...because the ink demand will be really, really
> > different than the coated papers.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > On 10/16/02 3:23 PM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know if there is a smooth, uncoated paper?  Perhaps
> one of the
> > > Arches cold or hot press papers?
> > >
> > > The reason I ask is that Somerset Velvet hits a dMax of over 1.9
> with only
> > > two coats.  However, I'm not a fan of the textured look.  It
> might be
> > > interesting to see what a smooth uncoated paper would do.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
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> great prints on it. Jerry Does.
> 
> Jerry O.
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Don Eby [mailto:don_eby@...]
  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 6:10 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Smooth uncoated paper?


  --- "penland.walpen@..."
  <penland.walpen@...> wrote:
  > stonehenge is smooth and not too dear and
  > cotton and i am fairly sure?
  > uncoated   (easy to find the particulars
  > online) (artpapers.com)

  I have used stonehenge quite a bit. It is a nice
  paper, and quite inexpensive, but I finally gave
  it up. It looks blotchy in the 60-80% range. I
  was not able to defeat that attribute and finally
  moved on.

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> --- Paul Roark <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Don,
> > 
> > (Second attempt to send -- first one crashed.)
> > 
> > What inkset and printer were you using that
> > gave the blotchiness with
> > Stonehenge?  I have seen that effect with Museo
> > on my 3000, but it does seem
> > to vary with the ink and printer.
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> 
> Paul, 
> 
> I have used it with 2 inks and several printers,
> and to my dismay, all had similar results. I have
> used it with the 7000 and 300 with OEM inks, 1160
> and 980 with MIS FS inks. I originally used
> Stonehenge on the recommendation of Jerry Nevins,
> who at the time used it for his gallery work.
> After using it almost exclusively for several
> months, we spent some time re-evaluating it
> because of the blotchiness. It would seem that
> this thick paper soaks the ink up unevenly, when
> a lot of ink is laid down. Because of this, I
> started to try other uncoated rag papers. I had
> used a Somerset Velvet before, and did not notice
> this same problem. I was looking for a smooth
> paper as well, so I did a side by side comparason
> of several papers. I printed a stepwedge on
> Somerset Velvet, Somerset Textured (a rougher
> version), Somerset Satin (smooth like
> Stonehenge), Stonehenge, and Rives BFK.
> Unfortunately, Somerset Satin was blotchy like
> the Stonehenge was. (As was Somerset Textured.)
> It was about a year ago, but I think the Rives
> performed the best (with respect to this issue).
> Since then, I have gone back to EAM for right
> now, as I am also looking for a smooth uncoated
> paper. 
> 
> BTW, was the Museo that you were using with the
> 3000 an uncoated paper?
> 
> Don
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> --- Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@...>
> wrote:
> > Hey Don
> >
> > A while back, I used a fair amount of Arches
> > Hot Press paper, which
> > comes in a number of sizes in watercolor
> > blocks, or in deckeled edge
> > sheets.
> 
> Shilesh,
> 
> Thanks for the tip. I will have to check that out
> soon. Since I have moved several times in the
> last few months, (and again next month), testing
> paper has taken a back seat to other
> responsibilities. Once I am settled in, I will
> continue the quest, and will check it out. What
> was your source for the paper? Local Art store, I
> presume?
> 
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> --- Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@s...>
> wrote:
> > Hey Don
> > 
> > A while back, I used a fair amount of Arches
> > Hot Press paper, which 
> > comes in a number of sizes in watercolor
> > blocks, or in deckeled edge 
> > sheets.  
> 
> Shilesh, 
> 
> Thanks for the tip. I will have to check that out
> soon. Since I have moved several times in the
> last few months, (and again next month), testing
> paper has taken a back seat to other
> responsibilities. Once I am settled in, I will
> continue the quest, and will check it out. What
> was your source for the paper? Local Art store, I
> presume?
> 
> Don
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On 10/17/02 3:52 PM, "sceptre12345" <am1000@...> wrote:

> Jerry,
> 
> Actually, I got some Arches Bright White not long after you posted on
> the other list about this paper. Cheap Joe's, if I'm not mistaken is
> located in North Carolina.
> 
> I still have a print I made some two years ago with this paper and
> original Piezo inks and it's holding up pretty well.
> 
> But then along came EAM, and I kinda neglected Arches B.W. Maybe,
> I'll give it a try once more.
> Andre 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>> http://www.cheapjoes.com  is a huge art supply store in New York
> with
>> great prices and low shipping charges, and great service. They sell
>> Arches papers. They have a very large catalogue they send with
> orders,
>> listing hundreds of papers. Or is it thousands? That URL Might be
>> http://www.cheapjoesartsupplis.com  I'm not sure which one it is.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Don Eby wrote:
>>> 
>>> --- Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@s...>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hey Don
>>>> 
>>>> A while back, I used a fair amount of Arches
>>>> Hot Press paper, which
>>>> comes in a number of sizes in watercolor
>>>> blocks, or in deckeled edge
>>>> sheets.
>>> 
>>> Shilesh,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip. I will have to check that out
>>> soon. Since I have moved several times in the
>>> last few months, (and again next month), testing
>>> paper has taken a back seat to other
>>> responsibilities. Once I am settled in, I will
>>> continue the quest, and will check it out. What
>>> was your source for the paper? Local Art store, I
>>> presume?
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalB&WPrint 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:23 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Smooth uncoated paper?


  Does anyone know if there is a smooth, uncoated paper?  Perhaps one of the
  Arches cold or hot press papers?

  The reason I ask is that Somerset Velvet hits a dMax of over 1.9 with only
  two coats.  However, I'm not a fan of the textured look.  It might be
  interesting to see what a smooth uncoated paper would do.

  Paul
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> 
> Is the Bright white, hot press...a smooth surface...or is it cold press...a
> textured surface?
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 10/17/02 3:52 PM, "sceptre12345" <am1000@...> wrote:
> 
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Actually, I got some Arches Bright White not long after you posted on
> > the other list about this paper. Cheap Joe's, if I'm not mistaken is
> > located in North Carolina.
> >
> > I still have a print I made some two years ago with this paper and
> > original Piezo inks and it's holding up pretty well.
> >
> > But then along came EAM, and I kinda neglected Arches B.W. Maybe,
> > I'll give it a try once more.
> > Andre
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> >> http://www.cheapjoes.com  is a huge art supply store in New York
> > with
> >> great prices and low shipping charges, and great service. They sell
> >> Arches papers. They have a very large catalogue they send with
> > orders,
> >> listing hundreds of papers. Or is it thousands? That URL Might be
> >> http://www.cheapjoesartsupplis.com  I'm not sure which one it is.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don Eby wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --- Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@s...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Hey Don
> >>>>
> >>>> A while back, I used a fair amount of Arches
> >>>> Hot Press paper, which
> >>>> comes in a number of sizes in watercolor
> >>>> blocks, or in deckeled edge
> >>>> sheets.
> >>>
> >>> Shilesh,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the tip. I will have to check that out
> >>> soon. Since I have moved several times in the
> >>> last few months, (and again next month), testing
> >>> paper has taken a back seat to other
> >>> responsibilities. Once I am settled in, I will
> >>> continue the quest, and will check it out. What
> >>> was your source for the paper? Local Art store, I
> >>> presume?
> >>>
> >>> Don
> >>>
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