Digital BW, The Print

Mark, 

I too, couldn't care less about how the artist did his work, or how
manipulated it is. I just don't.  One exception is journalism and/or
documentary photography, I wouldn't want the photographer doing anything
that would alter what the viewer thought  he was looking at.  But he
could spot, remove hairs, straighten horizons, lighten, darken, etc;
that wouldn't bother me.  There sometimes is a thin line. A lot of
people cared when National Geo moved a pyramid a few feet so the
composition would be better. Didn't bother me at all.  When Time
magazine altered OJ simpson's photo into a much darker, foreboding
image, I think they went too far This really did have the effect of
making him appear meaner and nastier. I know a lot of great
photographers that manipulated their popular images, and if they weren't
documentary photographs, It doesn't bother me. That's what brings out
the artist in the person.

As for Dylan, I'd rather listen to a year of long fingernails being
dragged across a slate blackboard than his music. Or any other music in
the last 30 years or so. No one performing today holds any interest
whatever for me as far as Popular music goes. Great music started dying
the year that electronic instruments became popular.

Nearly every group or person today sings like they are in desperate need
of an enema.

There are, of course a few classical composers that are still writing
great music, but not many.

Jerry

Mark,

Thanks so much for the longish post on Eugene Smith's Schweitzer image...

One of the images of Smith's which struck me similarly was a famous 
image of a Pittsburgh Steelworker with a distinct reflection in his 
dark-glasses

http://www.icp.org/exhibitions/dream_street/press.html  ..

Until Smith's death and a full review of the negatives, it had always 
been assumed the reflection was inherent to the original image..

It wasn't.... ala Jerry Uelsmann, Smith had "inserted" the 
reflections... A sort of inverse use of the technique utilized in the 
Schweitzer image -- here he inserts a bright reflection instead..

For me, that makes the image no less amazing as a silver print, no less 
iconic, or inspiring... and certainly no less a photograph, nor any less 
"ART."

Just as knowing that Michelangelo, DaVinci, Rembrandt and others used 
tracings or optical tools/technology to enhance or more easily produce 
"accurate" images..  In a strange way, those who see photography as 
purely and accurately representational , saying that using digital to 
make something more subjective and less realistic to hearken back to a 
day when photography was not accepted as art. It hearkens to a time when 
because it was primarily based in realistic representation and used 
technology so intimately, it was not deemed art.  Today, some stand that 
paradigm on its head in an attack upon digital manipulation, saying that 
such manipulation makes something less a "photograph."  IMHO, That 
argument is just patently ludicrous. It is the pragmatic and 
rationalized refuge of conservatives against technology, just as earlier 
reactionary artists  and critics argued against the photograph as art 
for the aforementioned reasons...
Keith

 

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>>Nearly every group or person today sings like they are in desperate need
of an enema.

That's great, I'll remember it.  In my LP collection I have a record of Barbra Streisand trying to sing Schubert art songs.  No one can listen to for more than 60 seconds without being on the floor.

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Ken Carney wrote:
> 
> >>Nearly every group or person today sings like they are in desperate need
> of an enema.

Well, it's true! just listen to them. If you can stand to.  I just can't!

> That's great, I'll remember it.  In my LP collection I have a record of Barbra Streisand trying to sing Schubert art songs.  No one can listen to for more than 60 seconds without being on the floor.

Usually, a classically trained artist can sing a popular song fairly
well, but I've never heard a popular singer sing a classical song
acceptably.  Takes a lOT more skill to sing opera than pop!! 

Jerry

>
>
> Ken Carney wrote:
> >
> > >>Nearly every group or person today sings like they are in desperate
need
> > of an enema.
>
> Well, it's true! just listen to them. If you can stand to.  I just can't!
>
> > That's great, I'll remember it.  In my LP collection I have a record of
Barbra Streisand trying to sing Schubert art songs.  No one can listen to
for more than 60 seconds without being on the floor.
>
> Usually, a classically trained artist can sing a popular song fairly
> well, but I've never heard a popular singer sing a classical song
> acceptably.  Takes a lOT more skill to sing opera than pop!!

 Have you ever heard a classically trained artist TRY to play
jazz? It goes way beyond just technique.

bgs
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> Jerry
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But I sure like to see them sing rap:-).

Truman

Jerry Olson wrote:

>Ken Carney wrote:
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>>>>Nearly every group or person today sings like they are in desperate need
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>>of an enema.
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>
>Well, it's true! just listen to them. If you can stand to.  I just can't!
>
>  
>
>>That's great, I'll remember it.  In my LP collection I have a record of Barbra Streisand trying to sing Schubert art songs.  No one can listen to for more than 60 seconds without being on the floor.
>>    
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>
>Usually, a classically trained artist can sing a popular song fairly
>well, but I've never heard a popular singer sing a classical song
>acceptably.  Takes a lOT more skill to sing opera than pop!! 
>
>Jerry
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>



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The only thing that could possibly be worse than modern rock music is
modern rap music. I can't imagine anything lower on the scale of
unlistenable noise.

Jerry



Truman Prevatt wrote:

> 
> But I sure like to see them sing rap:-).
> 
> Truman
> 
> Jerry Olson wrote:
> 
> >Ken Carney wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>Nearly every group or person today sings like they are in desperate need
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>of an enema.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well, it's true! just listen to them. If you can stand to.  I just can't!
> >
> >
> >
> >>That's great, I'll remember it.  In my LP collection I have a record of Barbra Streisand trying to sing Schubert art songs.  No one can listen to for more than 60 seconds without being on the floor.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Usually, a classically trained artist can sing a popular song fairly
> >well, but I've never heard a popular singer sing a classical song
> >acceptably.  Takes a lOT more skill to sing opera than pop!!
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
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