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Signing Epson Coated Paper

Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-15 by Thomas Fors

I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've searched the
archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.

What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.

I've tried fine-tip india ink pens and they always get clogged from the
coating after a few strokes.

Charcoal and carbon pencils either just scratch the paper (too hard) or look
like crayon on the textured surface (too soft).  Maybe I just haven't found
the right hardness yet, but I'd really like to sign in ink.

The only two pens I've found so far that work are:
  1. Cheap plastic ballpoint "syringe" pen (ebay item #1793004549) --
probably not very archival!
  2. Faber Castell PITT artist pen (brush tip.  other tips get clogged)  --
indian ink, but I'd like finer lines.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
--Tom

Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Carl Schofield

I just use a scan of my signature and and add the signature file to the 
image I want to print as a layer in Photoshop.  You could also have a 
custom font made from your handwriting and use a text layer with this 
font.
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On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 06:35  PM, Thomas Fors wrote:

> I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've 
> searched the
> archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.
>
> What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
> Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.
>
> I've tried fine-tip india ink pens and they always get clogged from the
> coating after a few strokes.
>
> Charcoal and carbon pencils either just scratch the paper (too hard) 
> or look
> like crayon on the textured surface (too soft).  Maybe I just haven't 
> found
> the right hardness yet, but I'd really like to sign in ink.
>
> The only two pens I've found so far that work are:
>   1. Cheap plastic ballpoint "syringe" pen (ebay item #1793004549) --
> probably not very archival!
>   2. Faber Castell PITT artist pen (brush tip.  other tips get 
> clogged)  --
> indian ink, but I'd like finer lines.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> --Tom
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Walter Scott Martin <waltersmartin@sbcgl

Carl we in the industry use a pen that goes by the name of Sharpee.  
A photographers best tool it will easily remain permanent on the 
surface of any coating, and will not leave a heavy indentation in the 
surface of the print.  They come in three main widths.  The smallest 
of the three is what you are looking for.  Good Luck
Walter Scott Martin

Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by sdmey4@aol.com

Interesting! When I did south window tests on my ink paper combos,I would 
mark them with a "sharpie" sunny side up. The "sharpie" ink was the first to 
go. 
Why not put the signature underneath the coating!
Steve M.
In a message dated 12/15/2002 4:44:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
waltersmartin@... writes:

> Carl we in the industry use a pen that goes by the name of Sharpee.  
> A photographers best tool it will easily remain permanent on the 
> surface of any coating, and will not leave a heavy indentation in the 
> surface of the print.  They come in three main widths.  The smallest 
> of the three is what you are looking for.  Good Luck
> Walter Scott Martin
> 



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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by John Vitollo <johnnyv@comcast.net>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, sdmey4@a... wrote:
> Interesting! When I did south window tests on my ink paper combos,I would 
> mark them with a "sharpie" sunny side up. The "sharpie" ink was the first to 
> go. 
> Steve M. 
> waltersmartin@s... writes:
> 
> > Carl we in the industry use a pen that goes by the name of Sharpee.

Yep...Sharpies fade rather quickly. Maybe some kind of India Ink Pen? Don't know 
if India Ink fades!

Hey Steve...A little birdy told me you bought a Howtek...you have it yet?

John V.

Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Thomas Fors

I remembered reading that sharpies aren't very lightfast, and I've avoided
them in favor of india ink.

The coating is not something I'm applying.  It's the coating that comes on
the paper.  I can write fine on the back (uncoated) side of the paper, but
the front surface tends to clog nearly any pen I use.

I just bought a Bic 0.7mm cheap plastic mechanical pencil and it seems to
write fine on the textured fine-art paper as well as EAM.  Someone on
another list suggested that gallery owners advised him the signature should
be inconspicuous and never in the picture.  I think the black ink would have
been too conspicuous.  I'm happy with the cheap pencil although I have no
idea what the "lead" is.  My guess is graphite.

Now I have to practice making my signature small and inconspicuous!

--Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: <sdmey4@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper


> Interesting! When I did south window tests on my ink paper combos,I would
> mark them with a "sharpie" sunny side up. The "sharpie" ink was the first
to
> go.
> Why not put the signature underneath the coating!
> Steve M.
> In a message dated 12/15/2002 4:44:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> waltersmartin@... writes:
>
> > Carl we in the industry use a pen that goes by the name of Sharpee.
> > A photographers best tool it will easily remain permanent on the
> > surface of any coating, and will not leave a heavy indentation in the
> > surface of the print.  They come in three main widths.  The smallest
> > of the three is what you are looking for.  Good Luck
> > Walter Scott Martin
> >
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by sdmey4@aol.com

Oh! Thats different. I use a # 6 pencil, works on every coated paper I've 
used.
Steve M.
In a message dated 12/15/2002 6:39:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, tom@... 
writes:

> I remembered reading that sharpies aren't very lightfast, and I've avoided
> them in favor of india ink.
> 
> The coating is not something I'm applying.  It's the coating that comes on
> the paper.  I can write fine on the back (uncoated) side of the paper, but
> the front surface tends to clog nearly any pen I use.
> 



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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Ken Carney

I just sign mine with a sharpened #2 pencil.  The signature is there, somewhat light, which suits me OK since it doesn't detract from the print.  That's on EAM.  On silver paper, it is somewhat darker.  For dry-mounted prints, assuming you are dry- mounting on museum board, it is obviously no problem since you sign on the mat.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Thomas Fors 
  To: DigitalBW ; digitalprintmaking@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:35 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper


  I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've searched the
  archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.

  What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
  Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.

  I've tried fine-tip india ink pens and they always get clogged from the
  coating after a few strokes.

  Charcoal and carbon pencils either just scratch the paper (too hard) or look
  like crayon on the textured surface (too soft).  Maybe I just haven't found
  the right hardness yet, but I'd really like to sign in ink.

  The only two pens I've found so far that work are:
    1. Cheap plastic ballpoint "syringe" pen (ebay item #1793004549) --
  probably not very archival!
    2. Faber Castell PITT artist pen (brush tip.  other tips get clogged)  --
  indian ink, but I'd like finer lines.

  Any suggestions?

  Thanks
  --Tom



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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Mark Tucker <mark@marktucker.com>

Go to the art supply store and buy several soft lead pencils. 
Brand name is Staedtler Mars Lumograph 100. I have them in 
"HB", "2B", "4B", and "6B". Each one is a slightly more soft lead. 
They work fine on papers like Museo, ESFA, Somerset 505, and 
PhotoRag. Just test them out on the trim pieces; you'll know the 
one that suits you immediately.

All of these are softer lead than even the standard #2 pencil lead.

MT, http://www.marktucker.com/

Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Jerry Olson

# 1 pencil or an HB pencil is still the best.

Jerry



Thomas Fors wrote:
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> 
> I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've searched the
> archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.
> 
> What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
> Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.
> 
> I've tried fine-tip india ink pens and they always get clogged from the
> coating after a few strokes.
> 
> Charcoal and carbon pencils either just scratch the paper (too hard) or look
> like crayon on the textured surface (too soft).  Maybe I just haven't found
> the right hardness yet, but I'd really like to sign in ink.
> 
> The only two pens I've found so far that work are:
>   1. Cheap plastic ballpoint "syringe" pen (ebay item #1793004549) --
> probably not very archival!
>   2. Faber Castell PITT artist pen (brush tip.  other tips get clogged)  --
> indian ink, but I'd like finer lines.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> --Tom
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Jerry Olson

You should always sign the original print itself in your own
handwriting. Otherwise it will have
much less value.

jerry



Carl Schofield wrote:
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> 
> I just use a scan of my signature and and add the signature file to the
> image I want to print as a layer in Photoshop.  You could also have a
> custom font made from your handwriting and use a text layer with this
> font.
> 
> On Sunday, December 15, 2002, at 06:35  PM, Thomas Fors wrote:
> 
> > I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've
> > searched the
> > archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.
> >
> > What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
> > Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.
> >
> > I've tried fine-tip india ink pens and they always get clogged from the
> > coating after a few strokes.
> >
> > Charcoal and carbon pencils either just scratch the paper (too hard)
> > or look
> > like crayon on the textured surface (too soft).  Maybe I just haven't
> > found
> > the right hardness yet, but I'd really like to sign in ink.
> >
> > The only two pens I've found so far that work are:
> >   1. Cheap plastic ballpoint "syringe" pen (ebay item #1793004549) --
> > probably not very archival!
> >   2. Faber Castell PITT artist pen (brush tip.  other tips get
> > clogged)  --
> > indian ink, but I'd like finer lines.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> > --Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
> > and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Thomas Fors

Thanks!

I'm going to have a print in an exhibit next month in Chicago.  It's my
first time, and I want to look like I know what I'm doing!

--Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: <mark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper


> Go to the art supply store and buy several soft lead pencils.
> Brand name is Staedtler Mars Lumograph 100. I have them in
> "HB", "2B", "4B", and "6B". Each one is a slightly more soft lead.
> They work fine on papers like Museo, ESFA, Somerset 505, and
> PhotoRag. Just test them out on the trim pieces; you'll know the
> one that suits you immediately.
>
> All of these are softer lead than even the standard #2 pencil lead.
>
> MT, http://www.marktucker.com/
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

Thomas Fors wrote:

 >I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've 
searched the
 >archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.
 >
 >What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
 >Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.
 >
 >
 >
We've got a complete simple and tailorable solution coming that we are
working on in conjunction with Lyson and MIS Associates.  Expect to see
product with all the leading retailers (except InkJetMall - Jon and I
don't get along too well at the moment.. LOL) ..
Keith



"Just some guy," and founder of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:

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"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together
guys"





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Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Mark Tucker <mark@marktucker.com>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"Thomas Fors" <tom@f...> wrote:
> I'm going to have a print in an exhibit next month in Chicago.  
It's my
> first time, and I want to look like I know what I'm doing!
---------

Trust me, you won't be judged on your choice of pencil lead that 
you sign the prints with. If that's where you're putting your 
concern, I'm worried.

Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Wendel White

Light Impressions sells Pigment Ink pens for about $2 each from .2mm to
.65mm

Wendel
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> 
> I know the issue of signing prints has come up before, and I've searched the
> archives, but I can't find any solutions to my specific problem.
> 
> What do you use to sign coated paper?  Specifically, Epson Textured
> Fine-Art, but I've noticed problems writing on EAM/EEM also.
> 
> I've tried fine-tip india ink pens and they always get clogged from the
> coating after a few strokes.
> 
> Charcoal and carbon pencils either just scratch the paper (too hard) or look
> like crayon on the textured surface (too soft).  Maybe I just haven't found
> the right hardness yet, but I'd really like to sign in ink.
> 
> The only two pens I've found so far that work are:
> 1. Cheap plastic ballpoint "syringe" pen (ebay item #1793004549) --
> probably not very archival!
> 2. Faber Castell PITT artist pen (brush tip.  other tips get clogged)  --
> indian ink, but I'd like finer lines.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks
> --Tom

Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper

2002-12-16 by Ernst Dinkla

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From: "Wendel White" <wendel@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Signing Epson Coated Paper


> Light Impressions sells Pigment Ink pens for about $2 each from .2mm to
> .65mm

For retouching prints I'm using 4 Staedtler Mars matic 700 technical drawing
pens 0,12 filled with Generations 4 enhanced K,Y,LC,LM. Not so good for
signing I guess but very nice for retouching even when a small line has to
drawn. They are more expensive but can be refilled and have a very hard
pentip. Looks like Lyson had the same idea.

Ernst

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