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Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-12 by Ken Carney

Steve, give Kodak Portra 400 B&W a try also.  It also has that "lush" look,
something like a Plus-X neg.  I'm pretty impressed with the detail.  Plus,
it works with digital ICE, which won't work with silver b&w film.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com


----- Original Message -----
From: <skobrin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics


> Roger,
>
> I use both super XP2 and Ilford fp 4&5. I really like XP2, especially
> shot at 320 rather than 400.  While there are others who are better
> at the technical details, I find XP provides a very nice tonal scale
> with a "creamy" feeling that I cannot be more specific about.  While
> I do not think it is quite as sharp as the standard Ilford films, it
> does well enough in that regard and the flexibility is wonderful. (I
> suspect that the standard films also provide more shadow detail, but
> I am not 100% sure about that.) I tend to shoot  a lot with older
> cameras and it is nice not to have to worry about metering dead on
> for every shot. From what I understand, XP2 is a marked improvement
> over XP1.  I scan it with a Nikon LS-200 with few problems using the
> color setting and converting to B&W in PS.
>
> One other advantage is that if you are traveling it is easy to get it
> processed and you do not have to deal with multiple X-Ray scans at
> airports.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Sopher
> <rlsopher@c...>" <rlsopher@c...> wrote:
> > I have used XP1 in the past (when I still had a darkroom) and
> wasn't
> > overly impressed compared to what I could do with large & medium
> > format Tri-X but that was some years ago. I didn't really expect
> > 35mm to compete strongly with 4x5 and 6x9. Maybe that was just a
> > self-fulfilling prophesy...
> >
> > There is little chance I will ever set up a darkroom again and I
> > have sold off my large and medium format gear so I am interested in
> > what opinions are concerning the chromogenics, particularly Portra
> > and T400CN. My intent would be to scan them to a digital image with
> > my 4000ED. I have been using Fuji color print film for this purpose
> > with no particular unhappiness but I wonder if the B&W C41 films
> > might produce a bit better image for scanning. I can certainly do
> > the experiment myself but I am just as lazy as the next fellow...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Roger
>
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Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-12 by Stephen Kobrin <skobrin@hotmail.com>

Ken,

What is the realtionship between Portra and TCN 400??  There is one 
other disadvantage of chromogenic films -- you are dependent on a 
processing lab.  I just spent 15 minutes "cloning" scratches out of a 
file.  It reminded me that one of the reasons I use standard B&W 
films is that I can develop them myself.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney" 
<kcarney1@c...> wrote:
> Steve, give Kodak Portra 400 B&W a try also.  It also has 
that "lush" look,
> something like a Plus-X neg.  I'm pretty impressed with the 
detail.  Plus,
> it works with digital ICE, which won't work with silver b&w film.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Ken Carney
>     www.kencarney.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <skobrin@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:28 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics
> 
> 
> > Roger,
> >
> > I use both super XP2 and Ilford fp 4&5. I really like XP2, 
especially
> > shot at 320 rather than 400.  While there are others who are 
better
> > at the technical details, I find XP provides a very nice tonal 
scale
> > with a "creamy" feeling that I cannot be more specific about.  
While
> > I do not think it is quite as sharp as the standard Ilford films, 
it
> > does well enough in that regard and the flexibility is wonderful. 
(I
> > suspect that the standard films also provide more shadow detail, 
but
> > I am not 100% sure about that.) I tend to shoot  a lot with older
> > cameras and it is nice not to have to worry about metering dead on
> > for every shot. From what I understand, XP2 is a marked 
improvement
> > over XP1.  I scan it with a Nikon LS-200 with few problems using 
the
> > color setting and converting to B&W in PS.
> >
> > One other advantage is that if you are traveling it is easy to 
get it
> > processed and you do not have to deal with multiple X-Ray scans at
> > airports.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Sopher
> > <rlsopher@c...>" <rlsopher@c...> wrote:
> > > I have used XP1 in the past (when I still had a darkroom) and
> > wasn't
> > > overly impressed compared to what I could do with large & medium
> > > format Tri-X but that was some years ago. I didn't really expect
> > > 35mm to compete strongly with 4x5 and 6x9. Maybe that was just a
> > > self-fulfilling prophesy...
> > >
> > > There is little chance I will ever set up a darkroom again and I
> > > have sold off my large and medium format gear so I am 
interested in
> > > what opinions are concerning the chromogenics, particularly 
Portra
> > > and T400CN. My intent would be to scan them to a digital image 
with
> > > my 4000ED. I have been using Fuji color print film for this 
purpose
> > > with no particular unhappiness but I wonder if the B&W C41 films
> > > might produce a bit better image for scanning. I can certainly 
do
> > > the experiment myself but I am just as lazy as the next 
fellow...
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Roger
> >
> >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Ken Carney

> What is the realtionship between Portra and TCN 400??

    I don't know, other than the Portra being sold only in a box of five
(35mm and 120).  If you ever plan to print on photo paper, I recall that
Portra is intended to print only on color paper.  I have used a lot of both
and like both.  The Portra may have a little better tonal range.  It does
seem to be a true 400 speed.  In so far as I know, neither is "archival".
They are basically color neg films and not at all archival in the sense of
silver b&w film.

> There is one  other disadvantage of chromogenic films -- you are dependent
on a
> processing lab.  I just spent 15 minutes "cloning" scratches out of a
> file.  It reminded me that one of the reasons I use standard B&W
> films is that I can develop them myself.

    Absolutely.  I have mine processed by a pro lab with a dip and dunk
line.  Machine processing, for me, has pretty much been a disaster.   BTW,
regarding cloning, it just dawned on me that the Healing Brush in PS7 is the
fastest way yet of spotting out dust.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Paul Roark

> What is the relationship between Portra and TCN 400??

My understanding is that Portra is easier for a color lab to print neutral
B&W prints from.  T400CN (which I use for my fast B&W film) is/was aimed
more at those printing on traditional b&w papers.

I think that they are supposed to be the same in terms of their technical
performance.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Digital enlargers

2003-01-13 by Tim Atherton

I was interested to see DeVere has apparently produced a digital enlarger -
nice melding of technologies.

RE: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers

2003-01-13 by Shire,Stanley

I looked. I was amazed...that anyone would even consider buying this. It
appears that Devere has a warehouse full of 504 chassis and thought that
this might extend their life. 
IMO one of the dumb ideas of all time. The introduction of an optical
system is a bad idea. The lcd panel which gets enlarged is a really
silly idea. This ranks right up there with one of my all time favorites
from 20 years ago..."The Beamscope" which was a plastic fresnel panel
with a frame and support structure that one placed in front of their
television (when screens were small) and it magnified the image (with
really slick edge distortions.)
The intelligent integration of technology (i.e. digital back on a medium
or large format camera) can be an excellent idea. This isn't.
S.
 
 
 

Stan Shire
Associate Professor/Department Chair
Photographic Imaging
Community College of Philadelphia
Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops

215 751-8320
sshire@...
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Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:50 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers


I was interested to see DeVere has apparently produced a digital
enlarger -
nice melding of technologies.


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RE: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Loris Medici

I will just pass unconfirmed information (unconfirmed because I don't
use Kodak films - Ilford and Fuji only). I've read somewhere in the web
that the main difference between these two films is that TCN400 has an
orange mask but Portra base is clear.

Also Ilford XP2 works well with Digital ICE and/or FARE. Actually any
film (except for Kodachrome) which is not silver based is OK for
ICE/FARE.

Regards,
Loris.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Kobrin <skobrin@...> 
> [mailto:skobrin@...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:28 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics
> 
> 
> Ken,
> 
> What is the realtionship between Portra and TCN 400??  There is one 
> other disadvantage of chromogenic films -- you are dependent on a 
> processing lab.  I just spent 15 minutes "cloning" scratches out of a 
> file.  It reminded me that one of the reasons I use standard B&W 
> films is that I can develop them myself.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney" 
> <kcarney1@c...> wrote:
> > Steve, give Kodak Portra 400 B&W a try also.  It also has
> that "lush" look,
> > something like a Plus-X neg.  I'm pretty impressed with the
> detail.  Plus,
> > it works with digital ICE, which won't work with silver b&w film.
> > 
> > Regards,

Re: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers

2003-01-13 by Mark Savoia

I saw one at the PhotoEast show in NYC in the fall and it can't make
anything bigger then a 16x20. And the price.......youzer $$$$.
They are using the same technology that the iCarrier ($25,000) uses for
use in mini labs. It uses a high res translucent LCD in place of the neg
carrier with film.

"Shire,Stanley" wrote:
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>  I looked. I was amazed...that anyone would even consider buying this.
> It
> appears that Devere has a warehouse full of 504 chassis and thought
> that
> this might extend their life.
> IMO one of the dumb ideas of all time. The introduction of an optical
> system is a bad idea. The lcd panel which gets enlarged is a really
> silly idea. This ranks right up there with one of my all time
> favorites
> from 20 years ago..."The Beamscope" which was a plastic fresnel panel
> with a frame and support structure that one placed in front of their
> television (when screens were small) and it magnified the image (with
> really slick edge distortions.)
> The intelligent integration of technology (i.e. digital back on a
> medium
> or large format camera) can be an excellent idea. This isn't.
> S.
>
>
>
>
> Stan Shire
> Associate Professor/Department Chair
> Photographic Imaging
> Community College of Philadelphia
> Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
> Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
>
> 215 751-8320
> sshire@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:50 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers
>
>
> I was interested to see DeVere has apparently produced a digital
> enlarger -
> nice melding of technologies.
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
> and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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[Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Steven Karafyllakis <stevek@evcom.net>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Loris Medici" 
<lorism@t...> wrote:
> 
> I will just pass unconfirmed information (unconfirmed because I 
don't
> use Kodak films - Ilford and Fuji only). I've read somewhere in 
the web
> that the main difference between these two films is that TCN400 
has an
> orange mask but Portra base is clear.

I wish that were true... I have a roll of each on my light table, 
the Portra has a normal orange mask that looks identical to color 
neg film. The TCN 400 has a much browner mask. Neither is much fun 
if you have to print it on silver paper, the mask color builds 
spectral density very rapidly as you add yellow filtration, making 
it very difficult to print anything that is contrasty. That isn't a 
problem with scanning however, both films scan quite well.

Steve K

> > Ken,
> > 
> > What is the realtionship between Portra and TCN 400??  There is 
one 
> > other disadvantage of chromogenic films -- you are dependent on 
a 
> > processing lab.  I just spent 15 minutes "cloning" scratches out 
of a 
> > file.  It reminded me that one of the reasons I use standard B&W 
> > films is that I can develop them myself.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken 
Carney" 
> > <kcarney1@c...> wrote:
> > > Steve, give Kodak Portra 400 B&W a try also.  It also has
> > that "lush" look,
> > > something like a Plus-X neg.  I'm pretty impressed with the
> > detail.  Plus,
> > > it works with digital ICE, which won't work with silver b&w 
film.
> > > 
> > > Regards,

RE: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Loris Medici

Steven, thanks to prevent confusion... What is your experience with XP2?
I'm about to make a darkroom session with a friend's XP2 negatives and
would like to be prepared against possible troubles.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Karafyllakis <stevek@...> 
> [mailto:stevek@...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:49 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics
> 
> >  I've read somewhere in the web
> > that the main difference between these two films is that TCN400
> > has an orange mask but Portra base is clear.
> 
> I wish that were true... I have a roll of each on my light table, 
> ...
> it very difficult to print anything that is contrasty. That isn't a 
> problem with scanning however, both films scan quite well.

[Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Steven Karafyllakis <stevek@evcom.net>

Loris, I've only used it once or twice several years ago, but if I 
remember, it handles in the darkroom very much like a B&W film. The 
color is not a problem, and it was fairly easy to print. 

Steve K
-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Loris Medici" 
<lorism@t...> wrote:
> 
> Steven, thanks to prevent confusion... What is your experience 
with XP2?
> I'm about to make a darkroom session with a friend's XP2 negatives 
and
> would like to be prepared against possible troubles.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Karafyllakis <stevek@e...> 
> > [mailto:stevek@e...] 
> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:49 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics
> > 
> > >  I've read somewhere in the web
> > > that the main difference between these two films is that TCN400
> > > has an orange mask but Portra base is clear.
> > 
> > I wish that were true... I have a roll of each on my light 
table, 
> > ...
> > it very difficult to print anything that is contrasty. That 
isn't a 
> > problem with scanning however, both films scan quite well.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics

2003-01-13 by Loris Medici

Good news. Thanks much!

Loris.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Karafyllakis <stevek@...> 
> [mailto:stevek@...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:55 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W Chromogenics
> 
> Loris, I've only used it once or twice several years ago, but if I 
> remember, it handles in the darkroom very much like a B&W film. The 
> color is not a problem, and it was fairly easy to print.

RE: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers

2003-01-13 by Shire,Stanley

Mark:
Can't find any web info on icarrier. I was just interested in the
technology. Can you point me to a site?
 
 

Stan Shire
Associate Professor/Department Chair
Photographic Imaging
Community College of Philadelphia
Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops

215 751-8320
sshire@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Savoia [mailto:mark@...] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:07 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers


I saw one at the PhotoEast show in NYC in the fall and it can't make
anything bigger then a 16x20. And the price.......youzer $$$$.
They are using the same technology that the iCarrier ($25,000) uses for
use in mini labs. It uses a high res translucent LCD in place of the neg
carrier with film.

"Shire,Stanley" wrote:

>  I looked. I was amazed...that anyone would even consider buying this.
> It
> appears that Devere has a warehouse full of 504 chassis and thought
> that
> this might extend their life.
> IMO one of the dumb ideas of all time. The introduction of an optical
> system is a bad idea. The lcd panel which gets enlarged is a really
> silly idea. This ranks right up there with one of my all time
> favorites
> from 20 years ago..."The Beamscope" which was a plastic fresnel panel
> with a frame and support structure that one placed in front of their
> television (when screens were small) and it magnified the image (with
> really slick edge distortions.)
> The intelligent integration of technology (i.e. digital back on a
> medium
> or large format camera) can be an excellent idea. This isn't.
> S.
>
>
>
>
> Stan Shire
> Associate Professor/Department Chair
> Photographic Imaging
> Community College of Philadelphia
> Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
> Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
>
> 215 751-8320
> sshire@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:50 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers
>
>
> I was interested to see DeVere has apparently produced a digital
> enlarger -
> nice melding of technologies.
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
> and
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Re: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers

2003-01-14 by Mark Savoia

Sorry my typo, I mean D-Carrier. It's just that Apple iThis and iThat 
getting in my brain. If you do a search for them you should find them.

Mark

Shire,Stanley wrote:
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> Mark:
> Can't find any web info on icarrier. I was just interested in the
> technology. Can you point me to a site?
>
>
>
> Stan Shire
> Associate Professor/Department Chair
> Photographic Imaging
> Community College of Philadelphia
> Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
> Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Savoia [mailto:mark@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:07 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers
>
>
> I saw one at the PhotoEast show in NYC in the fall and it can't make
> anything bigger then a 16x20. And the price.......youzer $$$$.
> They are using the same technology that the iCarrier ($25,000) uses for
> use in mini labs. It uses a high res translucent LCD in place of the neg
> carrier with film.
>
> "Shire,Stanley" wrote:
>
> >  I looked. I was amazed...that anyone would even consider buying this.
> > It
> > appears that Devere has a warehouse full of 504 chassis and thought
> > that
> > this might extend their life.
> > IMO one of the dumb ideas of all time. The introduction of an optical
> > system is a bad idea. The lcd panel which gets enlarged is a really
> > silly idea. This ranks right up there with one of my all time
> > favorites
> > from 20 years ago..."The Beamscope" which was a plastic fresnel panel
> > with a frame and support structure that one placed in front of their
> > television (when screens were small) and it magnified the image (with
> > really slick edge distortions.)
> > The intelligent integration of technology (i.e. digital back on a
> > medium
> > or large format camera) can be an excellent idea. This isn't.
> > S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stan Shire
> > Associate Professor/Department Chair
> > Photographic Imaging
> > Community College of Philadelphia
> > Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
> > Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
> >
> > 215 751-8320
> > sshire@...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:50 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Digital enlargers
> >
> >
> > I was interested to see DeVere has apparently produced a digital
> > enlarger -
> > nice melding of technologies.
> >
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