Digital BW, The Print

Howdy,

I have an 1160 that started acting weird. This printer was a dream for a couple of years. I use the CFS MIS-vm The prints after Paul's curves were added were very dark. I printed squares of the separate cartridge positions and they started looking strange except for the black position. The tubes were correctly positioned and the swabs from the bottles looked fine. Nozzle checks fired but the lower group seemed a little darker than they should. I also printed the Epson test sheet from the pdf file that the service guy sent me. Was not good tonally. I committed the printer to the local Authorized Epson hospital. The owner eventually (while we were on the phone) drew some pigment from the yellow position and told me it was dark. Said there is a great possibility that the cartridge could have a split and the pigments were mixing. I am going to get new cartridges for him at his suggestion.

Now comes the quandary. I had a new head put in in December but he is not sure yet if this head is firing properly. He also said that Epson probably won't guaranty a new head after this length of time. I am also close enough to the mandatory maintenance time where he says it will stop printing soon so it does need maintenance. I have a 1280 but would still need another printer to do color and b/w. He has some 1270's which I could get a deal on or I could possibly spring for a 2200 and fast for a while. Would love to have my 1160 run or find another but that may not happen. WHICH WAY SHOULD I GO!!   I'm old and retired but full of life. The stock market didn't kill me but hasn't made me happy either.  Advice kindly accepted. Thank you all.

Barry S. or bgs

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Barry,

When my 1160 crashed, I paid the price to have it fixed (about what I paid
for it originally).  It is the perfect printer for my ink development and
experimentation -- really a nice machine.

That said, as we start to get into RC paper, the differences between the
quad and hextone quality are going to show a lot more.  I have a 1280
sitting on for floor that will replace the 1160 soon.  Since there still
seems to be a lot of interest in the 1160, I might do a new curves set for
it with the production Ultra Tone B&W inks (if MIS ever sends me some).
However, that may be the end of the line for the 1160 for me.  I think the
newer hextone printers are going to be necessary to get the best results
with the more critical RC papers.  I suspect the 1270 is the oldest printer
that will be able to print state of the art prints on RC papers with the
Ultra Tone inks.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: bgs [mailto:bgs@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:26 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] printers....replace or repair


Howdy,

I have an 1160 that started acting weird. This printer was a dream for a
couple of years. I use the CFS MIS-vm The prints after Paul's curves were
added were very dark. I printed squares of the separate cartridge positions
and they started looking strange except for the black position. The tubes
were correctly positioned and the swabs from the bottles looked fine. Nozzle
checks fired but the lower group seemed a little darker than they should. I
also printed the Epson test sheet from the pdf file that the service guy
sent me. Was not good tonally. I committed the printer to the local
Authorized Epson hospital. The owner eventually (while we were on the phone)
drew some pigment from the yellow position and told me it was dark. Said
there is a great possibility that the cartridge could have a split and the
pigments were mixing. I am going to get new cartridges for him at his
suggestion.

Now comes the quandary. I had a new head put in in December but he is not
sure yet if this head is firing properly. He also said that Epson probably
won't guaranty a new head after this length of time. I am also close enough
to the mandatory maintenance time where he says it will stop printing soon
so it does need maintenance. I have a 1280 but would still need another
printer to do color and b/w. He has some 1270's which I could get a deal on
or I could possibly spring for a 2200 and fast for a while. Would love to
have my 1160 run or find another but that may not happen. WHICH WAY SHOULD I
GO!!   I'm old and retired but full of life. The stock market didn't kill me
but hasn't made me happy either.  Advice kindly accepted. Thank you all.

Barry S. or bgs

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Paul,

Thanks for your input. It's tough to give up on the 1160 but the price to
keep it running might be more for sentimental value than it's worth. I like
my 1280 and if the deal is good enough I might go for one of his 1270's or
get another 1280. He is a very reputable owner/operator and I trust him.

I did notice a conspicuous lack of 2200 mention. Was that a gentle hint?

Thanks again,

Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] printers....replace or repair


> Barry,
>
> When my 1160 crashed, I paid the price to have it fixed (about what I paid
> for it originally).  It is the perfect printer for my ink development and
> experimentation -- really a nice machine.
>
> That said, as we start to get into RC paper, the differences between the
> quad and hextone quality are going to show a lot more.  I have a 1280
> sitting on for floor that will replace the 1160 soon.  Since there still
> seems to be a lot of interest in the 1160, I might do a new curves set for
> it with the production Ultra Tone B&W inks (if MIS ever sends me some).
> However, that may be the end of the line for the 1160 for me.  I think the
> newer hextone printers are going to be necessary to get the best results
> with the more critical RC papers.  I suspect the 1270 is the oldest
printer
> that will be able to print state of the art prints on RC papers with the
> Ultra Tone inks.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> __________________________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bgs [mailto:bgs@...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] printers....replace or repair
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> I have an 1160 that started acting weird. This printer was a dream for a
> couple of years. I use the CFS MIS-vm The prints after Paul's curves were
> added were very dark. I printed squares of the separate cartridge
positions
> and they started looking strange except for the black position. The tubes
> were correctly positioned and the swabs from the bottles looked fine.
Nozzle
> checks fired but the lower group seemed a little darker than they should.
I
> also printed the Epson test sheet from the pdf file that the service guy
> sent me. Was not good tonally. I committed the printer to the local
> Authorized Epson hospital. The owner eventually (while we were on the
phone)
> drew some pigment from the yellow position and told me it was dark. Said
> there is a great possibility that the cartridge could have a split and the
> pigments were mixing. I am going to get new cartridges for him at his
> suggestion.
>
> Now comes the quandary. I had a new head put in in December but he is not
> sure yet if this head is firing properly. He also said that Epson probably
> won't guaranty a new head after this length of time. I am also close
enough
> to the mandatory maintenance time where he says it will stop printing soon
> so it does need maintenance. I have a 1280 but would still need another
> printer to do color and b/w. He has some 1270's which I could get a deal
on
> or I could possibly spring for a 2200 and fast for a while. Would love to
> have my 1160 run or find another but that may not happen. WHICH WAY SHOULD
I
> GO!!   I'm old and retired but full of life. The stock market didn't kill
me
> but hasn't made me happy either.  Advice kindly accepted. Thank you all.
>
> Barry S. or bgs
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I have a 1280 but would still need another printer to do color and b/w. He has 
some 1270's which I could get a deal on or I could possibly spring for a 2200 
and fast for a while. 

Barry,

you will be best served for color with the 2200, and for bw with the 1280 
(though slower than the 1160). If you want a single printer to do both, the best 
compromise would be the 2200 with the Ultrachrome inks - either OEM or 
clones.  Not as ideal for bw, but good enough.


Antonis

If you can live with 8 1/2 x 11 as a max print size, Epson web site
has refurb 890 (narrow carriage 1280) for $185 with a $100 rebate. For
net $85 (free shipping & new printer warranty), I bought one just to
do color since my 1280 has hextone inks in the CIS. Since it came with
new ink carts, I figure the actual printer was pretty cheap. If you
can live with the size limitation, it's something to think about. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bgs" <bgs@b...>
wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I have an 1160 that started acting weird. This printer was a dream
for a couple of years. I use the CFS MIS-vm The prints after Paul's
curves were added were very dark. I printed squares of the separate
cartridge positions and they started looking strange except for the
black position. The tubes were correctly positioned and the swabs from
the bottles looked fine. Nozzle checks fired but the lower group
seemed a little darker than they should. I also printed the Epson test
sheet from the pdf file that the service guy sent me. Was not good
tonally. I committed the printer to the local Authorized Epson
hospital. The owner eventually (while we were on the phone) drew some
pigment from the yellow position and told me it was dark. Said there
is a great possibility that the cartridge could have a split and the
pigments were mixing. I am going to get new cartridges for him at his
suggestion.
> 
> Now comes the quandary. I had a new head put in in December but he
is not sure yet if this head is firing properly. He also said that
Epson probably won't guaranty a new head after this length of time. I
am also close enough to the mandatory maintenance time where he says
it will stop printing soon so it does need maintenance. I have a 1280
but would still need another printer to do color and b/w. He has some
1270's which I could get a deal on or I could possibly spring for a
2200 and fast for a while. Would love to have my 1160 run or find
another but that may not happen. WHICH WAY SHOULD I GO!!   I'm old and
retired but full of life. The stock market didn't kill me but hasn't
made me happy either.  Advice kindly accepted. Thank you all.

> 
> Barry S. or bgs
> 
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