Digital BW, The Print

I'm going to do some experiments with ultratones and my 2100 soon.
I'll need to use empty color cartridges for refilling since there are
no virgin empties for this printer yet. I was wondering if any of you
know the best way to clean them out before i refill them? Is it
possible to use water for this or should I use some special celaning
fluids? I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I'm both curious and
impatient, so I'll at least make an attempt.

Thanks!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danielstaver"
<daniel@p...> wrote:
> I'm going to do some experiments with ultratones and my 2100 soon.
> I'll need to use empty color cartridges for refilling since there are
> no virgin empties for this printer yet. I was wondering if any of you
> know the best way to clean them out before i refill them? Is it
> possible to use water for this or should I use some special celaning
> fluids? I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I'm both curious and
> impatient, so I'll at least make an attempt.
> 
> Thanks!

The Y cart thing, maybe? I'ld like to know what you find experimenting.

You don't mention it but you're also going to have to reset chips or
use brand new carts emptied. Or maybe you could grab a chip off one of
the CIS units for 2200 that I have heard vaguely of??

MIS before the advent of virgin empties had a procedure for flushing
multi-chamber carts using a flushing manifold, and they still may sell
this and have a flushing procedure which uses lots of water. Whether
it would work with UC ink-I don't know.

In converstaions with BZob Zeiss at MIS he also told me of them
hacksawing off the tops of carts and removing sponges, refilling from
top etc. I think he tried to saw it so that top could be put back on.

Of course this was NOT for 2100/2200 but 1280/1160, etc. You're
probably in open water here...
Jim H.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jim hayes" 
<jimhayes@f...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danielstaver"
> <daniel@p...> wrote:
> > I'm going to do some experiments with ultratones and my 2100 
soon.
> > I'll need to use empty color cartridges for refilling since 
there are
> > no virgin empties for this printer yet. I was wondering if any 
of you
> > know the best way to clean them out before i refill them? Is it
> > possible to use water for this or should I use some special 
celaning
> > fluids? I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I'm both curious 
and
> > impatient, so I'll at least make an attempt.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
Hi Dan;

Somewhere, I believe on the MIS site there are instructions for 
refilling the C-80 carts, which I believe are similar to the 2200 
carts, or so I've read. You might check the mediastreet site also 
for C-80/82 refill instructions. The interior structure is very 
different from previous carts-for starters, there is almost no 
sponge. As for resetting chips, I believe both the MIS and the 
Mediastreet Universal chip resetter will do the job.

Keep us posted, I'm sure a lot of people wanna know!

Steve

> The Y cart thing, maybe? I'ld like to know what you find experimenting.

I'm going for a full hextone set, but I'll try the Y cart thing as well.
 
> You don't mention it but you're also going to have to reset chips or
> use brand new carts emptied. Or maybe you could grab a chip off one of
> the CIS units for 2200 that I have heard vaguely of??

I've already got the universal chip resetter from MIS. It works
perfectly on the 2100, and I've even used it on a brand new Epson
cartridge that refused to work in my printer. After a reset everything
seemed normal. With the price of a single cartridge being around $20
here it's nice to be able to make full use of every cartdrige.

> MIS before the advent of virgin empties had a procedure for flushing
> multi-chamber carts using a flushing manifold, and they still may sell
> this and have a flushing procedure which uses lots of water. Whether
> it would work with UC ink-I don't know.

I found a good procedure from the links page of another site:
http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/index.htm
http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/download/MIS%20refill/bad%20refill%202200.htm?source=html/c80_refill.html

It's from MIS, but I can't seem to find the same page on the actual
MIS site. The cleaning method sounds very useful. Fortunately I
already ordered several of these bottom fill adapters with my
ultratones, so I can try the method as soon as easter is over here and
we start to recieve mail again.

> In converstaions with BZob Zeiss at MIS he also told me of them
> hacksawing off the tops of carts and removing sponges, refilling from
> top etc. I think he tried to saw it so that top could be put back on.

The 2100 cartridge design is very different. There are almost no
sponge material in the cartridge and it has a comlex layout of
chambers with ink flowing in all sorts of directions. You can see an
interesting explanation of the layout of the cartridge described in
the link I mentioned above. I also use the refill method described there.
 
> Of course this was NOT for 2100/2200 but 1280/1160, etc. You're
> probably in open water here...

Yes, it's a lot of fun! (Just hope I don't kill my printer in the process)

> Somewhere, I believe on the MIS site there are instructions for 
> refilling the C-80 carts, which I believe are similar to the 2200 
> carts, or so I've read. You might check the mediastreet site also 
> for C-80/82 refill instructions. The interior structure is very 
> different from previous carts-for starters, there is almost no 
> sponge. As for resetting chips, I believe both the MIS and the 
> Mediastreet Universal chip resetter will do the job.

Thanks! I found the link here:
http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/download/MIS%20refill/bad%20refill%202200.htm?source=html/c80_refill.html

Haven't been able to find it on the MIS site itself (it's difficult to
find information there sometimes!)

I'm already using the universal chip resetter from MIS. It works very
well.
 
> Keep us posted, I'm sure a lot of people wanna know!

Sure! If the bottom fill adapter method of cleaning the cartridges
work I think the only other problem I will encounter is the fact that
the ultratone curves aren't designed with the light black ink in mind,
I'm not sure how much this will screw things up.

I'll also try the Y cart method discussed earlier.

> MIS before the advent of virgin empties had a procedure for flushing
> multi-chamber carts using a flushing manifold, and they still may sell
> this and have a flushing procedure which uses lots of water. Whether
> it would work with UC ink-I don't know.

Found the page for that one too:
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/manifold.html

I'm not sure if multiple 2100 cartridges are going will fit in the
flushing manifold, but the procedure should basically be the same. I
think I'll go for the distilled water, hopefully not killing my
printer in the process... I'll let you know either way.