Digital BW, The Print

Run a flush cart and reinstall Epson carts. Is the banding still there? If
yes it is likely a printer issue - if not it could be that you need new cis
carts. I've been forced to replace 4 cis carts after about 12 months each,
so it is worth investigating.

Julian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson banding and 'unhappy' scales


> Hi folks.  I have had no problems other than my teething VM-UT clogs
> with my Epson 1290 and MIS VM inks.
> Now, after 14 months, my prints are looking dodgy.
> I have very tiny banding (in direction of print head)in the mid
> tones, which is also throwing my curves out.
> Obviously I have been through the usual nozzles check, all is fine.
> Head aligment was WAY off and unstable.  Each time it was different.
> i think this was due to the movement of the CFS cartridges in the
> holder.  I have packed some card in in addition to the felt disks,
> things are now more solid and the head alignment more repeatable.
> I have tried this on more than one paper, it shows up worst on my
> imajet paper (glasssmooth, bright white matt - UK only I think), but
> it does show up on EAM too - I think the dot gain is higher here so
> it is not AS bad.
> The bands can also be seen DURING head alignment in the left hand row
> of squares, but NOT in the RHS.  I have gone from extreme to extreme
> on the alignment (I find it SO hard with the grey inks to know what
> is aligned and what is not - any advice greatly appreciated) and it
> does not get rid of the lines in the alignment squares.  Print res
> doesn't seem to make any difference and Epson service have confirmed
> that the cost of an 'out of warranty' service is almost as much as a
> new printer!  I have not really used this too much, only for my
> personal portfolio work - not on a professional basis so I'm loathe
> to bin it as a consumable, they should last longer than the warranty
> period!
> Now I'm stumped and can't live with the lines now I know they're
> there.
> Any help guys?
> thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
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I just installed a cis system using VM-S inks on an epson 1280 
printer that had no previous appearent banding issues. I noticed on 
some of my larger test sheets, using EAM, similar banding as 
described below. Given that the system was installed the same day, 
it doesn't seem like a flush would be the solution. There were no 
lines earlier in the day with the standard epson inks. Steve, if you 
do flush, I'd love to hear your results.
Thanks.
coffin 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Run a flush cart and reinstall Epson carts. Is the banding still 
there? If
> yes it is likely a printer issue - if not it could be that you 
need new cis
> carts. I've been forced to replace 4 cis carts after about 12 
months each,
> so it is worth investigating.
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson banding and 'unhappy' scales
> 
> 
> > Hi folks.  I have had no problems other than my teething VM-UT 
clogs
> > with my Epson 1290 and MIS VM inks.
> > Now, after 14 months, my prints are looking dodgy.
> > I have very tiny banding (in direction of print head)in the mid
> > tones, which is also throwing my curves out.
> > Obviously I have been through the usual nozzles check, all is 
fine.
> > Head aligment was WAY off and unstable.  Each time it was 
different.
> > i think this was due to the movement of the CFS cartridges in the
> > holder.  I have packed some card in in addition to the felt 
disks,
> > things are now more solid and the head alignment more repeatable.
> > I have tried this on more than one paper, it shows up worst on my
> > imajet paper (glasssmooth, bright white matt - UK only I think), 
but
> > it does show up on EAM too - I think the dot gain is higher here 
so
> > it is not AS bad.
> > The bands can also be seen DURING head alignment in the left 
hand row
> > of squares, but NOT in the RHS.  I have gone from extreme to 
extreme
> > on the alignment (I find it SO hard with the grey inks to know 
what
> > is aligned and what is not - any advice greatly appreciated) and 
it
> > does not get rid of the lines in the alignment squares.  Print 
res
> > doesn't seem to make any difference and Epson service have 
confirmed
> > that the cost of an 'out of warranty' service is almost as much 
as a
> > new printer!  I have not really used this too much, only for my
> > personal portfolio work - not on a professional basis so I'm 
loathe
> > to bin it as a consumable, they should last longer than the 
warranty
> > period!
> > Now I'm stumped and can't live with the lines now I know they're
> > there.
> > Any help guys?
> > thanks
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
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wish to
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various
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I had a similar instance of banding with the same printer and it 
turned out to be one of the chambers was not full of ink, but rather 
full of foam. I sucked as much of the ink and foam out and put it 
back into the proper bottle of ink and then I went to the kitchen 
sink and simply injected water till it ran out of the cartridge 
clear. Then I taped over the air vent holes with electrical tape and 
used a large syringe to suck out any remaining foam or water. After 
refilling the cartridge with ink; which this time was all ink in the 
cartridge and not any foam; and have been printing all day today. 
Possibly one of your cartridges has accumulated too much foam. I 
don't know if this is a problem with CIS setups or not, but just and 
idea.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny Eades

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coffinphoto" 
<yahoo@c...> wrote:
> I just installed a cis system using VM-S inks on an epson 1280 
> printer that had no previous appearent banding issues. I noticed 
on 
> some of my larger test sheets, using EAM, similar banding as 
> described below. Given that the system was installed the same day, 
> it doesn't seem like a flush would be the solution. There were no 
> lines earlier in the day with the standard epson inks. Steve, if 
you 
> do flush, I'd love to hear your results.
> Thanks.
> coffin 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian 
Thomas" 
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > Run a flush cart and reinstall Epson carts. Is the banding still 
> there? If
> > yes it is likely a printer issue - if not it could be that you 
> need new cis
> > carts. I've been forced to replace 4 cis carts after about 12 
> months each,
> > so it is worth investigating.
> > 
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson banding and 'unhappy' scales
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi folks.  I have had no problems other than my teething VM-UT 
> clogs
> > > with my Epson 1290 and MIS VM inks.
> > > Now, after 14 months, my prints are looking dodgy.
> > > I have very tiny banding (in direction of print head)in the mid
> > > tones, which is also throwing my curves out.
> > > Obviously I have been through the usual nozzles check, all is 
> fine.
> > > Head aligment was WAY off and unstable.  Each time it was 
> different.
> > > i think this was due to the movement of the CFS cartridges in 
the
> > > holder.  I have packed some card in in addition to the felt 
> disks,
> > > things are now more solid and the head alignment more 
repeatable.
> > > I have tried this on more than one paper, it shows up worst on 
my
> > > imajet paper (glasssmooth, bright white matt - UK only I 
think), 
> but
> > > it does show up on EAM too - I think the dot gain is higher 
here 
> so
> > > it is not AS bad.
> > > The bands can also be seen DURING head alignment in the left 
> hand row
> > > of squares, but NOT in the RHS.  I have gone from extreme to 
> extreme
> > > on the alignment (I find it SO hard with the grey inks to know 
> what
> > > is aligned and what is not - any advice greatly appreciated) 
and 
> it
> > > does not get rid of the lines in the alignment squares.  Print 
> res
> > > doesn't seem to make any difference and Epson service have 
> confirmed
> > > that the cost of an 'out of warranty' service is almost as 
much 
> as a
> > > new printer!  I have not really used this too much, only for my
> > > personal portfolio work - not on a professional basis so I'm 
> loathe
> > > to bin it as a consumable, they should last longer than the 
> warranty
> > > period!
> > > Now I'm stumped and can't live with the lines now I know 
they're
> > > there.
> > > Any help guys?
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
> Polls and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > >
> > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
you 
> wish to
> > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
> this same
> > page.
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> > them short.
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> subject header.
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the 

> various
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> > >
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> > >
> > >

This sounds like a possible, it is with new-ish carts already, but 
seems to have just 'happened'.  I will pull some ink through the 
carts, re-install, re-purge, re-clean and re-try (don't you just love 
it?....)
Is it possible for the 'paper drive belt' to stretch?  I heard 
something about a machine wear in this respect but I didn't think 
this was a belt drive printer like the old 3000/1200?

Thanks for the advice.

Steve.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" 
<jeades1@s...> wrote:
> I had a similar instance of banding with the same printer and it 
> turned out to be one of the chambers was not full of ink, but 
rather 
> full of foam. I sucked as much of the ink and foam out and put it 
> back into the proper bottle of ink and then I went to the kitchen 
> sink and simply injected water till it ran out of the cartridge 
> clear. Then I taped over the air vent holes with electrical tape 
and 
> used a large syringe to suck out any remaining foam or water. After 
> refilling the cartridge with ink; which this time was all ink in 
the 
> cartridge and not any foam; and have been printing all day today. 
> Possibly one of your cartridges has accumulated too much foam. I 
> don't know if this is a problem with CIS setups or not, but just 
and 
> idea.
> 
> Your friend in Photography,
> 
> Johnny Eades
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coffinphoto" 
> <yahoo@c...> wrote:
> > I just installed a cis system using VM-S inks on an epson 1280 
> > printer that had no previous appearent banding issues. I noticed 
> on 
> > some of my larger test sheets, using EAM, similar banding as 
> > described below. Given that the system was installed the same 
day, 
> > it doesn't seem like a flush would be the solution. There were no 
> > lines earlier in the day with the standard epson inks. Steve, if 
> you 
> > do flush, I'd love to hear your results.
> > Thanks.
> > coffin 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian 
> Thomas" 
> > <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > > Run a flush cart and reinstall Epson carts. Is the banding 
still 
> > there? If
> > > yes it is likely a printer issue - if not it could be that you 
> > need new cis
> > > carts. I've been forced to replace 4 cis carts after about 12 
> > months each,
> > > so it is worth investigating.
> > > 
> > > Julian
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson banding and 'unhappy' scales
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi folks.  I have had no problems other than my teething VM-
UT 
> > clogs
> > > > with my Epson 1290 and MIS VM inks.
> > > > Now, after 14 months, my prints are looking dodgy.
> > > > I have very tiny banding (in direction of print head)in the 
mid
> > > > tones, which is also throwing my curves out.
> > > > Obviously I have been through the usual nozzles check, all is 
> > fine.
> > > > Head aligment was WAY off and unstable.  Each time it was 
> > different.
> > > > i think this was due to the movement of the CFS cartridges in 
> the
> > > > holder.  I have packed some card in in addition to the felt 
> > disks,
> > > > things are now more solid and the head alignment more 
> repeatable.
> > > > I have tried this on more than one paper, it shows up worst 
on 
> my
> > > > imajet paper (glasssmooth, bright white matt - UK only I 
> think), 
> > but
> > > > it does show up on EAM too - I think the dot gain is higher 
> here 
> > so
> > > > it is not AS bad.
> > > > The bands can also be seen DURING head alignment in the left 
> > hand row
> > > > of squares, but NOT in the RHS.  I have gone from extreme to 
> > extreme
> > > > on the alignment (I find it SO hard with the grey inks to 
know 
> > what
> > > > is aligned and what is not - any advice greatly appreciated) 
> and 
> > it
> > > > does not get rid of the lines in the alignment squares.  
Print 
> > res
> > > > doesn't seem to make any difference and Epson service have 
> > confirmed
> > > > that the cost of an 'out of warranty' service is almost as 
> much 
> > as a
> > > > new printer!  I have not really used this too much, only for 
my
> > > > personal portfolio work - not on a professional basis so I'm 
> > loathe
> > > > to bin it as a consumable, they should last longer than the 
> > warranty
> > > > period!
> > > > Now I'm stumped and can't live with the lines now I know 
> they're
> > > > there.
> > > > Any help guys?
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, 
Bookmarks, 
> > Polls and
> > > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > >
> > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
> you 
> > wish to
> > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by 
visiting 
> > this same
> > > page.
> > > >
> > > > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > > > - Include your full name with your message.
> > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
> > messages to keep
> > > them short.
> > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the 
> > subject header.
> > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
or

> > > "flames."
> > > > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and 
> the 
> > various
> > > resources on the homepage.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Seem to have got it licked.
Windex on a paper towel to clean the underside of the heads.  
Sucked 2 OZ ink through each nozzle (after loosing vacuum - DOH!)
4 head aligment cycles (Still no idea what I'm doing, but aiming for 
the most 'continuous tone' seemed to be the thing to do???)
Cleaning, purging, singing God Save The Queen and my prints look 
great again, no banding PHEW!

Thanks for your help.

Steve.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
<stephen.bate@m...> wrote:
> This sounds like a possible, it is with new-ish carts already, but 
> seems to have just 'happened'.  I will pull some ink through the 
> carts, re-install, re-purge, re-clean and re-try (don't you just 
love 
> it?....)
> Is it possible for the 'paper drive belt' to stretch?  I heard 
> something about a machine wear in this respect but I didn't think 
> this was a belt drive printer like the old 3000/1200?
> 
> Thanks for the advice.
> 
> Steve.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny 
Eades" 
> <jeades1@s...> wrote:
> > I had a similar instance of banding with the same printer and it 
> > turned out to be one of the chambers was not full of ink, but 
> rather 
> > full of foam. I sucked as much of the ink and foam out and put 
it 
> > back into the proper bottle of ink and then I went to the 
kitchen 
> > sink and simply injected water till it ran out of the cartridge 
> > clear. Then I taped over the air vent holes with electrical tape 
> and 
> > used a large syringe to suck out any remaining foam or water. 
After 
> > refilling the cartridge with ink; which this time was all ink in 
> the 
> > cartridge and not any foam; and have been printing all day 
today. 

> > Possibly one of your cartridges has accumulated too much foam. I 
> > don't know if this is a problem with CIS setups or not, but just 
> and 
> > idea.
> > 
> > Your friend in Photography,
> > 
> > Johnny Eades
> >