Digital BW, The Print

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:36  PM, Robert Morrison wrote:

> For those using Ink Jet Control and/or Open Printmaker, Antonis just
> uploaded to the file section of the group several new profiles that  
> I've
> made.
>
>
> They are located at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ 
> IJC%20and%2
> 0OPM%20software/IJC%20profiles/
>
>
> The 7000 profiles were made with my 7000 which is currently loaded  
> with the
> Piezotone Neutral Warm inks and Museum Black.  These profiles are for a
> standard loading (Black, two "cyan" grays, two "magenta" grays, and one
> "yellow" gray).  There are two profiles, one for Eclipse Satine  
> Softwhite
> and one for Photo Rag.  Neither profile is lineaized so you can apply  
> your
> own linearization to your individual printer if you have Ink Jet  
> Control.
>
> The 2200 profiles were made from Antonis's ISP_10 profile and are for  
> the
> OEM Ultrachrome inks with Photo Black on Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl.
> 2200_OEM.PK_ISP_warm_rgm is just Antonis's profile tweaked for my  
> printer.
>
> 2200_OEM.PK_ISP_cool_rgm has considerably more magenta and cyan in it.  
>  The
> profile itself is probably too cool for anyone but our dearly departed
> friend Jerry...but it blends great with the warm profile in OPM.  I
> particularly like a 60/40 warm/cool blend which gives a nice Selenium  
> toned
> look to my eye.  I tested these profiles with OPM 1.02b and they are  
> also
> not linearized.
>
> I'm currently profiling several uncoated Gampi Japanese papers that I  
> like
> quite a lot with the Piezotones and am going to do a profile for the
> Ultratone inkset in my 1280.  Blacks are not as good with the RC  
> papers in
> the 1280 as they are in the 2200 (less total ink flow), but the  
> hilights of
> this ink set are smoother than the 2200, because of the light gray  
> ink.  I
> think the Ultratone grays, with the Ultrachrome Photo and Matte blacks  
> and
> yellow, photo magenta and photo cyan inks in a 2200 (or 7600) will be  
> the
> ultimate BW machine...when driven with Open Printmaker.  You could
> theoretically dial up any tone...and even split tone with incredible
> flexibility.
>
> Once you have a basic profile with ink partitioning that you are happy  
> with
> for a given ink set...making a new profile with Ink Jet Control for a
> different printer of the same model or new paper usually takes less  
> than
> 15-20 minutes.
>
>
> Have fun!
>
> Robert
>

On 6/10/03 7:04 PM, "Carl Schofield" <scho@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> Thanks for uploading your new OPM/IJC profiles.  I just printed some
> step-wedges for linearization with your warm and cool profiles for the
> 2200.  The warm profile step-wedge was fine, but in the cool profile
> step-wedge no black ink was printed in patch #26 (100%) - just the
> photo cyan/magenta mix.  I noticed that your black curve in the cool
> profile does not quite reach 100% (goes straight up) - was this
> intentional?  Also, there is a single, isolated band (about 1 mm) of
> dark grey in the gradient above the #26 patch for the light black ink
> tweaks printout.  I was printing from OPM 1.02 and IJC 1.0.  Just
> wondering if the profile is corrupted or if there is a bug in OPM 1.02
> that might be causing this.  Despite these minor problems, the 60/40
> blend of the warm/cool profiles does indeed produce a very nice
> selenium tone on ISP.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:36  PM, Robert Morrison wrote:
> 
>> For those using Ink Jet Control and/or Open Printmaker, Antonis just
>> uploaded to the file section of the group several new profiles that
>> I've
>> made.
>> 
>> 
>> They are located at:
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>> IJC%20and%2
>> 0OPM%20software/IJC%20profiles/
>> 
>> 
>> The 7000 profiles were made with my 7000 which is currently loaded
>> with the
>> Piezotone Neutral Warm inks and Museum Black.  These profiles are for a
>> standard loading (Black, two "cyan" grays, two "magenta" grays, and one
>> "yellow" gray).  There are two profiles, one for Eclipse Satine
>> Softwhite
>> and one for Photo Rag.  Neither profile is lineaized so you can apply
>> your
>> own linearization to your individual printer if you have Ink Jet
>> Control.
>> 
>> The 2200 profiles were made from Antonis's ISP_10 profile and are for
>> the
>> OEM Ultrachrome inks with Photo Black on Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl.
>> 2200_OEM.PK_ISP_warm_rgm is just Antonis's profile tweaked for my
>> printer.
>> 
>> 2200_OEM.PK_ISP_cool_rgm has considerably more magenta and cyan in it.
>>  The
>> profile itself is probably too cool for anyone but our dearly departed
>> friend Jerry...but it blends great with the warm profile in OPM.  I
>> particularly like a 60/40 warm/cool blend which gives a nice Selenium
>> toned
>> look to my eye.  I tested these profiles with OPM 1.02b and they are
>> also
>> not linearized.
>> 
>> I'm currently profiling several uncoated Gampi Japanese papers that I
>> like
>> quite a lot with the Piezotones and am going to do a profile for the
>> Ultratone inkset in my 1280.  Blacks are not as good with the RC
>> papers in
>> the 1280 as they are in the 2200 (less total ink flow), but the
>> hilights of
>> this ink set are smoother than the 2200, because of the light gray
>> ink.  I
>> think the Ultratone grays, with the Ultrachrome Photo and Matte blacks
>> and
>> yellow, photo magenta and photo cyan inks in a 2200 (or 7600) will be
>> the
>> ultimate BW machine...when driven with Open Printmaker.  You could
>> theoretically dial up any tone...and even split tone with incredible
>> flexibility.
>> 
>> Once you have a basic profile with ink partitioning that you are happy
>> with
>> for a given ink set...making a new profile with Ink Jet Control for a
>> different printer of the same model or new paper usually takes less
>> than
>> 15-20 minutes.
>> 
>> 
>> Have fun!
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
> 
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On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:30  PM, Robert Morrison wrote:

> Carl I'm using IJC 1.01 and OPM 1.02b.  I just downloaded the profile 
> from
> the web and printed a step wedge through OPM with the profile and it 
> was
> fine.  Likewise, I printed from within IJC and this was also 
> perfect...so
> there must be a bug.  I'd contact bowhaus for an update.
>
> Sorry,
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 6/10/03 7:04 PM, "Carl Schofield" <scho@...> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Thanks for uploading your new OPM/IJC profiles.  I just printed some
>> step-wedges for linearization with your warm and cool profiles for the
>> 2200.  The warm profile step-wedge was fine, but in the cool profile
>> step-wedge no black ink was printed in patch #26 (100%) - just the
>> photo cyan/magenta mix.  I noticed that your black curve in the cool
>> profile does not quite reach 100% (goes straight up) - was this
>> intentional?  Also, there is a single, isolated band (about 1 mm) of
>> dark grey in the gradient above the #26 patch for the light black ink
>> tweaks printout.  I was printing from OPM 1.02 and IJC 1.0.  Just
>> wondering if the profile is corrupted or if there is a bug in OPM 1.02
>> that might be causing this.  Despite these minor problems, the 60/40
>> blend of the warm/cool profiles does indeed produce a very nice
>> selenium tone on ISP.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 06:36  PM, Robert Morrison wrote:
>>
>>> For those using Ink Jet Control and/or Open Printmaker, Antonis just
>>> uploaded to the file section of the group several new profiles that
>>> I've
>>> made.
>>>
>>>
>>> They are located at:
>>>
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>>> IJC%20and%2
>>> 0OPM%20software/IJC%20profiles/
>>>
>>>
>>> The 7000 profiles were made with my 7000 which is currently loaded
>>> with the
>>> Piezotone Neutral Warm inks and Museum Black.  These profiles are 
>>> for a
>>> standard loading (Black, two "cyan" grays, two "magenta" grays, and 
>>> one
>>> "yellow" gray).  There are two profiles, one for Eclipse Satine
>>> Softwhite
>>> and one for Photo Rag.  Neither profile is lineaized so you can apply
>>> your
>>> own linearization to your individual printer if you have Ink Jet
>>> Control.
>>>
>>> The 2200 profiles were made from Antonis's ISP_10 profile and are for
>>> the
>>> OEM Ultrachrome inks with Photo Black on Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl.
>>> 2200_OEM.PK_ISP_warm_rgm is just Antonis's profile tweaked for my
>>> printer.
>>>
>>> 2200_OEM.PK_ISP_cool_rgm has considerably more magenta and cyan in 
>>> it.
>>>  The
>>> profile itself is probably too cool for anyone but our dearly 
>>> departed
>>> friend Jerry...but it blends great with the warm profile in OPM.  I
>>> particularly like a 60/40 warm/cool blend which gives a nice Selenium
>>> toned
>>> look to my eye.  I tested these profiles with OPM 1.02b and they are
>>> also
>>> not linearized.
>>>
>>> I'm currently profiling several uncoated Gampi Japanese papers that I
>>> like
>>> quite a lot with the Piezotones and am going to do a profile for the
>>> Ultratone inkset in my 1280.  Blacks are not as good with the RC
>>> papers in
>>> the 1280 as they are in the 2200 (less total ink flow), but the
>>> hilights of
>>> this ink set are smoother than the 2200, because of the light gray
>>> ink.  I
>>> think the Ultratone grays, with the Ultrachrome Photo and Matte 
>>> blacks
>>> and
>>> yellow, photo magenta and photo cyan inks in a 2200 (or 7600) will be
>>> the
>>> ultimate BW machine...when driven with Open Printmaker.  You could
>>> theoretically dial up any tone...and even split tone with incredible
>>> flexibility.
>>>
>>> Once you have a basic profile with ink partitioning that you are 
>>> happy
>>> with
>>> for a given ink set...making a new profile with Ink Jet Control for a
>>> different printer of the same model or new paper usually takes less
>>> than
>>> 15-20 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 07:09  PM, Antonis Ricos wrote:

> Since the densitometer I'm currently using
>> does not conform to any specific ANSI standards I don't think a
>> comparison of these values to ones from another densitometer would be
>> very meaningful.
>
> Carl and Phil,
>
> using a densitometer with standard density readings is essential if  
> you are
> using IJC. In this case, the discrepancy in the results or readings  
> between two
> different users would be made greater by non-standard instruments.
>
> What you get with a non-calibrated instrument is still a smooth curve,  
> i.e. when
> you plot your grayscale output it will make a smooth curve and that  
> should
> help produce nice separation between steps etc.  But you'd be missing  
> out (a)
> on achieving maximum density and (b) on proper overall gradation in  
> parts of
> the scale. That would depend on the actual shape that you would get in  
>  that -
> otherwise smooth - curve of the plotted densities.
>
> IJC is based internally on an ideal set of densities which it  
> generates for a
> given dmax and paper white set of values. If you can't track those  
> properly
> because of an out of whack instrument, you are simply missing some -  
> but not
> all -  benefits of the system.
>
> Antonis
>
>
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On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 08:40  PM, Phil Rose wrote:
> Yes, I agree with all that.  But since I only have the OPM part of
> the "system" (thus far), I merely wanted to use densitometry for
> determining (even semiquantitatively) how  large are the
> differences between _my_ two grayscales: one from a profile
> used in OPM 1.02 versus another from same profile used
> with a different OPM version. That tries to answer a basic
> question that was raised about possible version-to-version
> effects. Even with an uncalibrated densitometer (the_same_
> uncalibrated unit), it should be possible to determine whether or
> not there are significant differences (especially changes in the
> curve shape.)  Agree?
>
> Now that I've just made those measurements, I am able to verify
> what
> my eyes had been telling me: the grayscale density curve  from
> OPM
> 1.02b5 has a rather pronounced inflection near midscale--quite
> different from the smooth, monotonically increasing density
> curve from OPM 1.02. Also, 1.02b5 gives  higher densities overall
> (especially near midscale); even a bit higher at 100% black, too.
> That's all using Carl's "cool" EAM_MK linearized profile.
>
> Any comparison of my densitometric curve with data from Carl's
> also-uncalibrated densitomer would only be useful to verify that
> I'm able to obtain a similar curve shape when using the same
> profile and OPM version as he used. The only reason to even
> raise that question is that my 2200 had that streaking "problem"
> while his did not.
>
> Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Dina" <lbdina@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] New IJC/OPM Profiles




New profiles for the 2200 using UC inks are available for Windows
IJC/OPM users and are available for download.  Included are profiles
for EpEnhMatte, Moab Entrada (Bright White and Natural), Somerset
Photo Enhanced Radiant White, Epson Velvet Fine Art, and Kirkland
Glossy.  Each paper has a family of 5 profiles - Cool, Selenium,
Neutral, Warm and Sepia.  No yellow ink has been used in any profiles
(with the exception of sepia) to reduce metamerism.  You can navigate
to the Files section and IJC/OPM, or click the following link:


http://tinyurl.com/6fksu

Lou Dina






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