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Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200 and/was 1280 or 2200 for BW?

Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200 and/was 1280 or 2200 for BW?

2003-06-20 by Jack M Kucy

It looks like this thread contains the answer to my former question: 
1280 or 220 for BW.
I am buying 1280 (second - first I use for color),  load the quad inks, 
chose proper software and... go.
And now lame question.  The printer comes with color cartridges (not 
loaded).  Should I try it with the color inks to check if it works fine, 
use the cleaning cartridge and put in the quad inks - or it's better not 
to dirty the printer with the color inks, but go directly to quads?
Thanks in advance,
Jack

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John/Julie Gittins wrote:

> Shilesh,
> The conclusion you note regarding a 2200 vs 1160/1280 comparison 
> puzzles me. When
> I've matched up prints from my 2200 vs my 1160, using the Epson driver 
> on each, I've found
> the 2200 to be smoother and less dotty. If the Technical Print 
> Exchange's comparison wasn't
> based on 2200 prints made with the Epson driver (you mention "a number 
> of different RIPs"
> were used), then it's possible that that comparison underestimated the 
> 2200's mechanical
> capabilities, since the RIPs introduce a set of "unnatural" 
> characteristics for the 2200 to 
> deal with. Could the fact that the 1160 and 1280 can use quad-black 
> inksets  (vs. the 2200's
> being limited to date to non-quad inksets) have been the real source 
> of the difference in print
> quality (as opposed to machinery shortcomings in the 2200)?
> John    
>     
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Shilesh Jani
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200
>
>
>   Bob,
>
>   I agree with Martin.  The 1280 is a good choice.   I recently
>   participated in a Technical Print Exchange.  Comparing the 1260 and
>   1280, the prints were very similar in ramp smoothness and dottiness. 
>   Both printers were  A LOT less dotty than the newer 2200 printer
>   using a number of different RIPs.  So, unless you find a good 1260,
>   you can confidently go with the 1280.
>
>   Good luck and regards.
>
>   Shilesh
>
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley"
>   <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "BOB KRAMER" <bobkramer@c...>
>   > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>   > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:37 AM
>   > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200
>   >
>   >
>   > > Martin,
>   > >
>   > > Why do you prefer the 1280 to an 1160 printer?  I've been
>   thinking about
>   > > hunting down another 1160 just to have a backup to mine, but
>   would be
>   > > interested in hearing about any advantages to changing over to
>   the 1280.
>   > > Thanks!
>   > >
>   > > Bob
>   > >
>   > Bob,
>   >
>   > It is simply the issue of availability. I don't see any quality
>   differences
>   > although in theory the extra nozzles should help. I went from a
>   1200 to a
>   > 1280 which was a big improvement due to all the clogging and banding
>   > problems on the 1200.
>   >
>   > At this point it just seems better to get a brand new 1280 rather
>   than
>   > hassle with a used 1160 or trying to importing one and doing the
>   power
>   > conversion.
>   >
>   > Software is also something to consider. Some of the new programs
>   may not
>   > support the older printers.
>   >
>   > Martin
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200 and/was 1280 or 2200 for BW?

2003-06-20 by Robert Morrison

The 2200 is the best piece of hardware...but the the hilights using the  
OEM ink set is much "grainer" than the 1280 and 1160, but this is  
purely the result of using the light black ink for the hilights.  When  
the empty carts are available for the 2200 and you can substitute the  
Ultratone light gray ink...the 2200 will give the best prints by  
far...and much faster than the 1280...but you will need to use Ink Jet  
Control to drive it.

Robert
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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 10:37 PM, Jack M Kucy wrote:

> It looks like this thread contains the answer to my former question:
> 1280 or 220 for BW.
> I am buying 1280 (second - first I use for color),  load the quad inks,
> chose proper software and... go.
> And now lame question.  The printer comes with color cartridges (not
> loaded).  Should I try it with the color inks to check if it works  
> fine,
> use the cleaning cartridge and put in the quad inks - or it's better  
> not
> to dirty the printer with the color inks, but go directly to quads?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jack
>
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> JMK Gallery (www.jmk-gallery.com)
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>
>
> John/Julie Gittins wrote:
>
>> Shilesh,
>> The conclusion you note regarding a 2200 vs 1160/1280 comparison
>> puzzles me. When
>> I've matched up prints from my 2200 vs my 1160, using the Epson driver
>> on each, I've found
>> the 2200 to be smoother and less dotty. If the Technical Print
>> Exchange's comparison wasn't
>> based on 2200 prints made with the Epson driver (you mention "a number
>> of different RIPs"
>> were used), then it's possible that that comparison underestimated the
>> 2200's mechanical
>> capabilities, since the RIPs introduce a set of "unnatural"
>> characteristics for the 2200 to
>> deal with. Could the fact that the 1160 and 1280 can use quad-black
>> inksets  (vs. the 2200's
>> being limited to date to non-quad inksets) have been the real source
>> of the difference in print
>> quality (as opposed to machinery shortcomings in the 2200)?
>> John
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Shilesh Jani
>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:01 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200
>>
>>
>>   Bob,
>>
>>   I agree with Martin.  The 1280 is a good choice.   I recently
>>   participated in a Technical Print Exchange.  Comparing the 1260 and
>>   1280, the prints were very similar in ramp smoothness and dottiness.
>>   Both printers were  A LOT less dotty than the newer 2200 printer
>>   using a number of different RIPs.  So, unless you find a good 1260,
>>   you can confidently go with the 1280.
>>
>>   Good luck and regards.
>>
>>   Shilesh
>>
>>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley"
>>   <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "BOB KRAMER" <bobkramer@c...>
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:37 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200
>>>
>>>
>>>> Martin,
>>>>
>>>> Why do you prefer the 1280 to an 1160 printer?  I've been
>>   thinking about
>>>> hunting down another 1160 just to have a backup to mine, but
>>   would be
>>>> interested in hearing about any advantages to changing over to
>>   the 1280.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> It is simply the issue of availability. I don't see any quality
>>   differences
>>> although in theory the extra nozzles should help. I went from a
>>   1200 to a
>>> 1280 which was a big improvement due to all the clogging and banding
>>> problems on the 1200.
>>>
>>> At this point it just seems better to get a brand new 1280 rather
>>   than
>>> hassle with a used 1160 or trying to importing one and doing the
>>   power
>>> conversion.
>>>
>>> Software is also something to consider. Some of the new programs
>>   may not
>>> support the older printers.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
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Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200 and/was 1280 or 2200 for BW?

2003-06-20 by Bill

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison <
rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> The 2200 is the best piece of hardware...but the the hilights using the  
> OEM ink set is much "grainer" than the 1280 and 1160, but this is  
> purely the result of using the light black ink for the hilights.  When  
Is this using all 7 inks?

Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200 and/was 1280 or 2200 for BW?

2003-06-20 by Robert Morrison

No I would suggest modifying the 2200 load to:

Matte Black (Epson OEM)
Photo Black (Epson OEM)
Light Black (Epson OEM)
Light Gray (MIS Ultratone Yellow)
Light Cyan (Epson OEM)
Light Magenta (Epson OEM)
Yellow (Epson OEM)

Then you would use IJC to control the curves.  You could make a warm  
curve just using the 2 grays with either of the blacks (depending on  
the paper).  Then make a sepia curve using some yellow and the grays  
and black and then a cool curve using the photo cyan, photo magenta and  
the grays and black.  Then blend away in Open Printmaker.  You can't  
print color...but it will be the ultimate BW machine.  As soon as the  
empty carts start to ship this is what I plan to do.  You could do it  
now if you set up a CIS.

Robert
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On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 11:13 PM, Bill wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison <
> rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> The 2200 is the best piece of hardware...but the the hilights using  
>> the
>> OEM ink set is much "grainer" than the 1280 and 1160, but this is
>> purely the result of using the light black ink for the hilights.  When
> Is this using all 7 inks?
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color or quad inks to test 1280 (to Jack)

2003-06-20 by Antonis Ricos

> And now lame question.  The printer comes with color cartridges (not 
> loaded).  Should I try it with the color inks to check if it works fine, 
> use the cleaning cartridge and put in the quad inks - or it's better not 
> to dirty the printer with the color inks, but go directly to quads?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jack



Jack,

you'll get peace of mind using the color inks to check the printer and align the 
heads. The latter cannot be done as well with gray inks anyway.
Since you have cleaning carts, you'll know when all color is out.


Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] Off-center prints on Epson 1200 and/was 1280 or 2200 for BW?

2003-06-21 by Bob Frost

Bill,

Surely the fact that the 2200 has a higher resolution - 2880x1440 - than the
1280 which only has 2880x720 means that the 2200 should be less dotty,
because the dots can be closer together in the vertical direction?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <gebilwil@...>


> I find it hard to believe that a 1280 is more 'dottie' than a 2200.

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