Digital BW, The Print

http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/

Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to be
true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...

"With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original size
with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the most
advanced scaling technology available."
Hmmmm...

Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers for
insight...

Thanks

Jamie Gannon

I have been using the demo version since yesterday and it does seem to be a
good advancement in image scaling. I have tried it on some low res images
and was impressed. It does not support 16bit so in my workflow its
usefulness is limited.

Wendel

> From: Jamie Gannon <jamie@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:09:50 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale
> 
> http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/
> 
> Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to be
> true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...
> 
> "With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original size
> with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the most
> advanced scaling technology available."
> Hmmmm...
> 
> Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers for
> insight...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jamie Gannon
> 
> 
> 
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I am currently beta testing it (OSX - PS7). Once the beta expires I  
will let you know. I have just started playing with it so nothing  
definitive yet.

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:09  AM, Jamie Gannon wrote:

> http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/
>
> Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to  
> be
> true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...
>
> "With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original  
> size
> with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the most
> advanced scaling technology available."
> Hmmmm...
>
> Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers  
> for
> insight...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jamie Gannon
>
>
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I bought a full version running on Mac OS 10.2.6 and PS 7.  Are you beta testing a new version for that platform?

Simon

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Loring Palleske 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale


  I am currently beta testing it (OSX - PS7). Once the beta expires I  
  will let you know. I have just started playing with it so nothing  
  definitive yet.

  On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:09  AM, Jamie Gannon wrote:

  > http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/
  >
  > Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to  
  > be
  > true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...
  >
  > "With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original  
  > size
  > with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the most
  > advanced scaling technology available."
  > Hmmmm...
  >
  > Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers  
  > for
  > insight...
  >
  > Thanks
  >
  > Jamie Gannon
  >
  >
  >


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I downloaded the free demo. Results are very impressive, even amazing.

Anyone ever compared the interpolation + sharpening quality of
Qimage and the special software/plug ins mentioned in this thread
?

Ernst

Didn't know they were selling it.

Beta expires end of July. It was not available till the beginning of  
July. It says v 1.0

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:11  AM, Simon Lamb wrote:

> I bought a full version running on Mac OS 10.2.6 and PS 7.  Are you  
> beta testing a new version for that platform?
>
> Simon
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Loring Palleske
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale
>
>
>   I am currently beta testing it (OSX - PS7). Once the beta expires I
>   will let you know. I have just started playing with it so nothing
>   definitive yet.
>
>   On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:09  AM, Jamie Gannon wrote:
>
>> http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/
>>
>> Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to
>> be
>> true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...
>>
>> "With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original
>> size
>> with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the  
>> most
>> advanced scaling technology available."
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers
>> for
>> insight...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jamie Gannon
>>
>>
>>
>
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Go to

 http://members.optusnet.com.au/rconn/g_samples.htm

and click on the thumbnail for the comparison photo. Shows sample 
comparing several resizing programs. It appears SmartScale is 
superior, but not by a whole lot (therefore price will be an 
important factor), to Genuine Fractals. The biggest benefit, in my 
opinion, is how smoothly SmartScale interfaces with Photoshop -- much 
better than Genuine Fractals in this respect, and with equal if not 
better results.

I've downloaded the 30 day demo (full-featured). I have been experimenting
with the program for about 10 or 12 hours total blowing up segments of
portraits, test charts, digital and scanned photos, etc.  So far, my own
conclusion is that I cannot seem much if any difference between blowing up
1600 per cent with photoshop and with extensis.  Occasionally the extensis
does seem to be sharper, but the difference is not dramatic.  Most of the
time I can't seen any difference between the two.  I'm not sure I want to
spend $200 for a program which shows little or no benefit over straight
photoshop enlarging.  But I'd like to hear some other responses!  The demo
is free and good for 30 days.  Perhaps some of you might add some feedback.
Joe D.

On 7/11/03 9:00 AM, "Loring Palleske" <lorpal@...> wrote:

> Didn't know they were selling it.
> 
> Beta expires end of July. It was not available till the beginning of
> July. It says v 1.0
> 
> On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:11  AM, Simon Lamb wrote:
> 
>> I bought a full version running on Mac OS 10.2.6 and PS 7.  Are you
>> beta testing a new version for that platform?
>> 
>> Simon
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Loring Palleske
>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:05 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale
>> 
>> 
>>   I am currently beta testing it (OSX - PS7). Once the beta expires I
>>   will let you know. I have just started playing with it so nothing
>>   definitive yet.
>> 
>>   On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:09  AM, Jamie Gannon wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/
>>> 
>>> Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to
>>> be
>>> true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...
>>> 
>>> "With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original
>>> size
>>> with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the
>>> most
>>> advanced scaling technology available."
>>> Hmmmm...
>>> 
>>> Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers
>>> for
>>> insight...
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Jamie Gannon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, davajon 
<davajon@s...> wrote:
> I've downloaded the 30 day demo (full-featured). I have been 
experimenting
> with the program for about 10 or 12 hours ......  But I'd like to 
hear some other responses!  

Your finding are consistent with what I've read on other listservs. 
Bicubic interpolation in 10% step in Photoshop gives just about the 
same results.
Cheers,
Andre

Thanks Andre!
I guess I'll just keep my $200 bucks in my pocket.
Your response is MUCH appreciated.  Thanks again!
Joe D.

On 7/15/03 7:24 PM, "sceptre12345" <am1000@...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, davajon
> <davajon@s...> wrote:
>> I've downloaded the 30 day demo (full-featured). I have been
> experimenting
>> with the program for about 10 or 12 hours ......  But I'd like to
> hear some other responses!
> 
> Your finding are consistent with what I've read on other listservs.
> Bicubic interpolation in 10% step in Photoshop gives just about the
> same results.
> Cheers,
> Andre
> 
> 
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Joe writes:

> So far, my own conclusion is that I cannot seem
> much if any difference between blowing up
> 1600 per cent with photoshop and with extensis.

Upsampling programs are mostly hype.  At least Photoshop doesn't claim to do
the impossible, whereas most other programs that specialize in upsampling
do.

You can't add detail that isn't in the original photo.  "Intelligent"
upsampling programs like Genuine Fractals or SmartScale _invent_ details
based on certain assumptions they make about the original photo.  The more
accurately these assumptions match the characteristics of the original
scene, the more convincing the upsampling will be (although it still won't
match the original scene).  No set of assumptions is valid for all photos,
however, so for every photo that looks better when upsampled using these
programs, there will be another photo that looks worse.  And since most
photos will not match the program assumptions in most cases, most of the
time you won't see much difference at all.

The ONLY way to get more detail in a large image is to shoot a large image
to begin with.  Nothing can substitute for real, original pixels.  If you
want a wall-sized enlargement, you'll need to shoot a zillion pixels right
from the beginning.  You won't be able to shoot with a 2-megapixel camera
and then produce a ten-by-ten-foot enlargement therefrom without blurring,
no matter what magic program you use.

I can't believe that anyone is charging prices like $200 for such simple and
useless tools.  I guess as long as photographers are na\ufffdve enough about
digital photography to think that they can do the impossible (by creating
detail where none originally existed), there will be a market for such
trinkets.  When and if photographers learn as much about digital
technologies as they already know about traditional film, tools like this
are all going to end up in the wastebasket.

I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair Interpolation PS action (which just automates doing a series of small interpolations in a row) than I do with SmartScale.

Simon

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Atkielski 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale


  Joe writes:

  > So far, my own conclusion is that I cannot seem
  > much if any difference between blowing up
  > 1600 per cent with photoshop and with extensis.

  Upsampling programs are mostly hype.  At least Photoshop doesn't claim to do
  the impossible, whereas most other programs that specialize in upsampling
  do.

  You can't add detail that isn't in the original photo.  "Intelligent"
  upsampling programs like Genuine Fractals or SmartScale _invent_ details
  based on certain assumptions they make about the original photo.  The more
  accurately these assumptions match the characteristics of the original
  scene, the more convincing the upsampling will be (although it still won't
  match the original scene).  No set of assumptions is valid for all photos,
  however, so for every photo that looks better when upsampled using these
  programs, there will be another photo that looks worse.  And since most
  photos will not match the program assumptions in most cases, most of the
  time you won't see much difference at all.

  The ONLY way to get more detail in a large image is to shoot a large image
  to begin with.  Nothing can substitute for real, original pixels.  If you
  want a wall-sized enlargement, you'll need to shoot a zillion pixels right
  from the beginning.  You won't be able to shoot with a 2-megapixel camera
  and then produce a ten-by-ten-foot enlargement therefrom without blurring,
  no matter what magic program you use.

  I can't believe that anyone is charging prices like $200 for such simple and
  useless tools.  I guess as long as photographers are naïve enough about
  digital photography to think that they can do the impossible (by creating
  detail where none originally existed), there will be a market for such
  trinkets.  When and if photographers learn as much about digital
  technologies as they already know about traditional film, tools like this
  are all going to end up in the wastebasket.



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I tried the demo too and though its faster than others I'm not convinced its any better 
either.  I've been using S-spline which for my work is clearly better than 
Photoshop bicubic or Fred's stair step routine.  If you haven't seen s-spline you 
should check it out. I think the basic version is only like $50   The only problem with 
it is its sort of slow.  It seems to be better for organic shapes than straight lines.  I 
think GF is the opposite but I never liked GF plus you can do the lanzos algorithim 
with S-spline if you like.   The one software I haven't tried for upressing images is 
VFzoom.   

Regards,
Eric Hiss
http://www.eh21.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, davajon <davajon@s...> 
wrote:
> I've downloaded the 30 day demo (full-featured). I have been experimenting
> with the program for about 10 or 12 hours total blowing up segments of
> portraits, test charts, digital and scanned photos, etc.  So far, my own
> conclusion is that I cannot seem much if any difference between blowing up
> 1600 per cent with photoshop and with extensis.  Occasionally the extensis
> does seem to be sharper, but the difference is not dramatic.  Most of the
> time I can't seen any difference between the two.  I'm not sure I want to
> spend $200 for a program which shows little or no benefit over straight
> photoshop enlarging.  But I'd like to hear some other responses!  The demo
> is free and good for 30 days.  Perhaps some of you might add some feedback.
> Joe D.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/11/03 9:00 AM, "Loring Palleske" <lorpal@m...> wrote:
> 
> > Didn't know they were selling it.
> > 
> > Beta expires end of July. It was not available till the beginning of
> > July. It says v 1.0
> > 
> > On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 09:11  AM, Simon Lamb wrote:
> > 
> >> I bought a full version running on Mac OS 10.2.6 and PS 7.  Are you
> >> beta testing a new version for that platform?
> >> 
> >> Simon
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Loring Palleske
> >>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >>   Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:05 PM
> >>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   I am currently beta testing it (OSX - PS7). Once the beta expires I
> >>   will let you know. I have just started playing with it so nothing
> >>   definitive yet.
> >> 
> >>   On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:09  AM, Jamie Gannon wrote:
> >> 
> >>> http://www.extensis.com/pxlsmartscale/
> >>> 
> >>> Any reviews or knowledge of this Photoshop Plugin? Sounds too good to
> >>> be
> >>> true - I must assume therefore that it is. However, one can hope...
> >>> 
> >>> "With its ability to resize digital images up to 1600% of the original
> >>> size
> >>> with no discernable loss in print quality, SmartScale provides the
> >>> most
> >>> advanced scaling technology available."
> >>> Hmmmm...
> >>> 
> >>> Absolutely no affiliation with the Extensis. Just looking to my peers
> >>> for
> >>> insight...
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks
> >>> 
> >>> Jamie Gannon
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
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I've tried the demo also.  I really see no difference between it and PS 
bicubic or Fred Miranda's action.  

VFzoom was from Celartem, right?  I noticed that Extensis says SmartScale is 
based on Celartem so I assume they are the same protocol.

Helene

>>I tried the demo too and though its faster than others I'm not convinced 
its any better 
either.  I've been using S-spline which for my work is clearly better than 
Photoshop bicubic or Fred's stair step routine.  If you haven't seen s-spline 
you 
should check it out. I think the basic version is only like $50   The only 
problem with 
it is its sort of slow.  It seems to be better for organic shapes than 
straight lines.  I 
think GF is the opposite but I never liked GF plus you can do the lanzos 
algorithim 
with S-spline if you like.   The one software I haven't tried for upressing 
images is 
VFzoom.   

Regards,
Eric Hiss
http://www.eh21.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, davajon <davajon@s...> 
wrote:
> I've downloaded the 30 day demo (full-featured). I have been experimenting
> with the program for about 10 or 12 hours total blowing up segments of
> portraits, test charts, digital and scanned photos, etc.  So far, my own
> conclusion is that I cannot seem much if any difference between blowing up
> 1600 per cent with photoshop and with extensis.  Occasionally the extensis
> does seem to be sharper, but the difference is not dramatic.  Most of the
> time I can't seen any difference between the two.  I'm not sure I want to
> spend $200 for a program which shows little or no benefit over straight
> photoshop enlarging.  But I'd like to hear some other responses!  The demo
> is free and good for 30 days.  Perhaps some of you might add some feedback.
> Joe D.


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Can anyone explain how a series of small upsamplings can produce better
results than one large upsampling?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@...>

I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair Interpolation PS
action (which just automates doing a series of small interpolations in a
row) than I do with SmartScale.

I think the theory is that since each step creates fewer "fake" pixels, the data stays truer 
to the original than it would if you did it in one step. 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" <bobfrost@b...> 
wrote:

> Can anyone explain how a series of small upsamplings can produce better
> results than one large upsampling?
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@s...>
> 
> I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair Interpolation PS
> action (which just automates doing a series of small interpolations in a
> row) than I do with SmartScale.

The higher quality interpolation routines in the (free) panotools PS 
plugin are much better than the FM routine.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
<byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> I think the theory is that since each step creates fewer "fake" 
pixels, the data stays truer 
> to the original than it would if you did it in one step. 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" 
<bobfrost@b...> 
> wrote:
> > Can anyone explain how a series of small upsamplings can produce 
better
> > results than one large upsampling?
> > 
> > Bob Frost.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@s...>
> > 
> > I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair 
Interpolation PS
> > action (which just automates doing a series of small 
interpolations in a
> > row) than I do with SmartScale.

Mark,
Is the Panotool plugin available for the PC. I found the Mac version.
thanks,
Patrick

Mark Hahn <markhahn2000@...> wrote:
The higher quality interpolation routines in the (free) panotools PS 
plugin are much better than the FM routine.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
<byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> I think the theory is that since each step creates fewer "fake" 
pixels, the data stays truer 
> to the original than it would if you did it in one step. 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" 
<bobfrost@b...> 
> wrote:
> > Can anyone explain how a series of small upsamplings can produce 
better
> > results than one large upsampling?
> > 
> > Bob Frost.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@s...>
> > 
> > I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair 
Interpolation PS
> > action (which just automates doing a series of small 
interpolations in a
> > row) than I do with SmartScale.


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Mark-

Where can these be downloaded from?

Thanks,

Bill

on 7/21/03 8:46 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:

> The higher quality interpolation routines in the (free) panotools PS
> plugin are much better than the FM routine.
> 
> mark

Mark,

Where did you find it?

Many thanks,
Jeffrey
http://www.happyeyeball.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Patrick Kealey 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale


  Mark,
  Is the Panotool plugin available for the PC. I found the Mac version.
  thanks,
  Patrick

  Mark Hahn <markhahn2000@...> wrote:
  The higher quality interpolation routines in the (free) panotools PS 
  plugin are much better than the FM routine.

  mark

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
  <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
  > I think the theory is that since each step creates fewer "fake" 
  pixels, the data stays truer 
  > to the original than it would if you did it in one step. 
  > 
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" 
  <bobfrost@b...> 
  > wrote:
  > > Can anyone explain how a series of small upsamplings can produce 
  better
  > > results than one large upsampling?
  > > 
  > > Bob Frost.
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@s...>
  > > 
  > > I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair 
  Interpolation PS
  > > action (which just automates doing a series of small 
  interpolations in a
  > > row) than I do with SmartScale.


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Hi Jeff!

here is a good starting point:

http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/

go to the bottom of the page for non-panormaic links,

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Happy Eyeball" 
<jeffrey.groups@h...> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Where did you find it?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Jeffrey
> http://www.happyeyeball.com
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Patrick Kealey 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Extensis SmartScale
> 
> 
>   Mark,
>   Is the Panotool plugin available for the PC. I found the Mac 
version.
>   thanks,
>   Patrick
> 
>   Mark Hahn <markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
>   The higher quality interpolation routines in the (free) panotools 
PS 
>   plugin are much better than the FM routine.
> 
>   mark
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles 
Bandes" 
>   <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
>   > I think the theory is that since each step creates fewer "fake" 
>   pixels, the data stays truer 
>   > to the original than it would if you did it in one step. 
>   > 
>   > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob 
Frost" 
>   <bobfrost@b...> 
>   > wrote:
>   > > Can anyone explain how a series of small upsamplings can 
produce 
>   better
>   > > results than one large upsampling?
>   > > 
>   > > Bob Frost.
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@s...>
>   > > 
>   > > I agree.  I get better results using the Fred Miranda Stair 
>   Interpolation PS
>   > > action (which just automates doing a series of small 
>   interpolations in a
>   > > row) than I do with SmartScale.
> 
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I need a little help. I downloaded the windows version of PanaTools 
but am having a hard time installing them in Photoshop 7. Is there a 
step by step procedure. I tried to follow their instructions and got 
the Panatools to show up in the filters drop down but it is not 
activated.

                   John H

This is all I did:
  
- Place the file 'pano12.dll' into the same directory as the 
  Photoshop program.

*for me: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop 7.0
  
- Place the files 'correct.8bf', 'adjust.8bf', 'perspect.8bf'
  and 'remap.8bf' into the Plugins folder for 'Filters'.

*for me: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop 7.0\Plug-Ins\Filters 

- The file 'PanCntrl.8bf' contains the plug-ins for the interactive
  editor. Place it also in the 'Filter' directory. 
  
- Restart Photoshop. You should find the Tools in the Filters submenu.

...should work too, good luck,

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mr_Misty_44" 
<jharvey@i...> wrote:
> I need a little help. I downloaded the windows version of PanaTools 
> but am having a hard time installing them in Photoshop 7. Is there 
a 
> step by step procedure. I tried to follow their instructions and 
got 

> the Panatools to show up in the filters drop down but it is not 
> activated.
> 
>                    John H