Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson 
Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html

Carl

When will Epson launch those papers!?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@m...> 
wrote:

> Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson 
> Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
> http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html
> 
> Carl

You da man ... but who else besides Epson makes a 17x22 printer?

http://www.wmpaulstore.com/prartfiartul.html


BC

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:57 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper




  >Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson
  >Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
  >http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html

  There is a PremierArt name that is now attached to UltraSmooth.  However,
  the UltraSmooth paper has not been released yet.  Furthermore, the sizes
  that are apparently for sale at the above site are not Epson sizes.  So,
  beware.  This is probably not the real thing.

  Epson Pro Media head says end of August is now the release date.

  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com






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>Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson
>Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
>http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html

There is a PremierArt name that is now attached to UltraSmooth.  However,
the UltraSmooth paper has not been released yet.  Furthermore, the sizes
that are apparently for sale at the above site are not Epson sizes.  So,
beware.  This is probably not the real thing.

Epson Pro Media head says end of August is now the release date.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

I thought the "PremierArt™ UltraSmooth Fine Art" and Epson's UltraSmooth ar=
e the 
same paper?, as what seems to be indictated in Wilhem's test update 
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ep9600%20print%20permanence.html#table
(see note #6 on the bottom)

Take a look at the pdf on the Premier site:
http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/media/index.html
(looks like UtraSmooth sizes?)

From Royce Bair on the Epson Wide Format group:

1. "A. Andrew Gonzalez" also wrote:
 <<Interesting.....there's a mention of a "PremierArt UltraSmooth 
 Fine Art Paper" next to the UltraSmooth from Epson. I wonder if 
 they're similar or the same? Why mention the PremierArt 
 UltraSmooth Fine Art Paper if it's not in the above test?
 No mention of the papers specs on the PremierArt site, only 
 that's it's now available.>>
 
 Mmmm.... Remember when Epson first introduced their Smooth 
 and Texture Fine Art papers, and mentioned that they were made 
 by Crane? And also Epson's own "Somerset Velvet" (similar to 
 Legion's Somerset Photo Enhanced). Need I say more? I'll just 
 say that InkjetART will be carrying BOTH the Epson UltraSmooth 
 Fine Art and the PremierArt paper (Henry W. made a slip here, it 
 will be called just "PremierArt", and not "PremierArt 
 UltraSmooth"). Our stocks of PremierArt should arrive within two 
 weeks (the 250 g/m2 and the 325 g/m2 -- 500 g/m2 are being 
 delayed).
 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> 
> 
> >Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson
> >Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
> >http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html
> 
> There is a PremierArt name that is now attached to UltraSmooth.  However,=

> the UltraSmooth paper has not been released yet.  Furthermore, the sizes
> that are apparently for sale at the above site are not Epson sizes.  So,
> beware.  This is probably not the real thing.
> 
> Epson Pro Media head says end of August is now the release date.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

The impression I got from Epson was that PremierArt UltraSmooth was (or was
the same as) Epson's UltraSmooth.  When I told the Epson Pro Media head the
roll size that is listed in the William Paul & Associates web page, he said
that was not an Epson roll size. Also, the W. Paul site where the papers are
listed does not use the UltraSmooth name.

Of course, if PremierArt has a source that is independent of Epson, it could
be the same paper, but in different sizes.

I wonder who has the "UltraSmooth" trade mark.  I assumed it was Epson.  The
way Royce Bair talks, it sounds like maybe PremierArt should not be using
that name.

Note also that PremierArt spray and the new Wilhelm test data.  I've thought
that a spray that was matched to the paper coating might be able to seal the
pigments better.  I'm hopeful that someone has really done a good
engineering job here.

On the other hand, in the past, the claim has been made that InkJetArt
Museum is essentially the same as UltraSmooth.  My tests of Museum indicate
it has one of the worst-flaking surfaces out there, as opposed to
UltraSmooth's virtually non-flaking surface.

Very confusing.  However, I do hope that there is an independent source for
UltraSmooth.  Competition never hurts.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
________________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: A. Andrew Gonzalez [mailto:a_andrew_gonzalez@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:50 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper



I thought the "PremierArt\ufffd UltraSmooth Fine Art" and Epson's UltraSmooth ar=
e the
same paper?, as what seems to be indictated in Wilhem's test update
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ep9600%20print%20permanence.html#table
(see note #6 on the bottom)

Take a look at the pdf on the Premier site:
http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/media/index.html
(looks like UtraSmooth sizes?)

From Royce Bair on the Epson Wide Format group:

1. "A. Andrew Gonzalez" also wrote:
 <<Interesting.....there's a mention of a "PremierArt UltraSmooth
 Fine Art Paper" next to the UltraSmooth from Epson. I wonder if
 they're similar or the same? Why mention the PremierArt
 UltraSmooth Fine Art Paper if it's not in the above test?
 No mention of the papers specs on the PremierArt site, only
 that's it's now available.>>

 Mmmm.... Remember when Epson first introduced their Smooth
 and Texture Fine Art papers, and mentioned that they were made
 by Crane? And also Epson's own "Somerset Velvet" (similar to
 Legion's Somerset Photo Enhanced). Need I say more? I'll just
 say that InkjetART will be carrying BOTH the Epson UltraSmooth
 Fine Art and the PremierArt paper (Henry W. made a slip here, it
 will be called just "PremierArt", and not "PremierArt
 UltraSmooth"). Our stocks of PremierArt should arrive within two
 weeks (the 250 g/m2 and the 325 g/m2 -- 500 g/m2 are being
 delayed).




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>
>
> >Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson
> >Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
> >http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html
>
> There is a PremierArt name that is now attached to UltraSmooth.  However,=
> the UltraSmooth paper has not been released yet.  Furthermore, the sizes
> that are apparently for sale at the above site are not Epson sizes.  So,
> beware.  This is probably not the real thing.
>
> Epson Pro Media head says end of August is now the release date.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com



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> I wonder who has the "UltraSmooth" trade mark.  I assumed it was Epson.  The
> way Royce Bair talks, it sounds like maybe PremierArt should not be using
> that name.
> 
> Note also that PremierArt spray and the new Wilhelm test data.  I've thought
> that a spray that was matched to the paper coating might be able to seal the
> pigments better.  I'm hopeful that someone has really done a good
> engineering job here.
> 
> On the other hand, in the past, the claim has been made that InkJetArt
> Museum is essentially the same as UltraSmooth.  My tests of Museum indicate
> it has one of the worst-flaking surfaces out there, as opposed to
> UltraSmooth's virtually non-flaking surface.
> 
> Very confusing.  However, I do hope that there is an independent source for
> UltraSmooth.  Competition never hurts.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks for Museum paper flaking info!
The PremierArt spray looks very promising on Wilhem's test.

Also on PremierArt's UltraSmooth PDF it says:
"500g Double Sided - Sold exclusively through Epson America Inc and their dealers"

Premier is no longer using the name UltraSmooth Fine Art.  Their paper is n=
ow called 
PremierArt  "Hot Press" Fine Art.  They revised the pdf paper description f=
ile and 
removed all references to the UltraSmooth name and to Epson.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> The impression I got from Epson was that PremierArt UltraSmooth was (or w=
as
> the same as) Epson's UltraSmooth.  When I told the Epson Pro Media head t=
he
> roll size that is listed in the William Paul & Associates web page, he sa=
id
> that was not an Epson roll size. Also, the W. Paul site where the papers =
are
> listed does not use the UltraSmooth name.
> 
> Of course, if PremierArt has a source that is independent of Epson, it co=
uld
> be the same paper, but in different sizes.
> 
> I wonder who has the "UltraSmooth" trade mark.  I assumed it was Epson.  =
The
> way Royce Bair talks, it sounds like maybe PremierArt should not be using=

> that name.
> 
> Note also that PremierArt spray and the new Wilhelm test data.  I've thou=
ght
> that a spray that was matched to the paper coating might be able to seal =
the
> pigments better.  I'm hopeful that someone has really done a good
> engineering job here.
> 
> On the other hand, in the past, the claim has been made that InkJetArt
> Museum is essentially the same as UltraSmooth.  My tests of Museum indica=
te
> it has one of the worst-flaking surfaces out there, as opposed to
> UltraSmooth's virtually non-flaking surface.
> 
> Very confusing.  However, I do hope that there is an independent source f=
or
> UltraSmooth.  Competition never hurts.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ________________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Andrew Gonzalez [mailto:a_andrew_gonzalez@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:50 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper
> 
> 
> 
> I thought the "PremierArt™ UltraSmooth Fine Art" and Epson's UltraSmooth =
ar=
> e the
> same paper?, as what seems to be indictated in Wilhem's test update
> http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ep9600%20print%20permanence.html#table
> (see note #6 on the bottom)
> 
> Take a look at the pdf on the Premier site:
> http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/media/index.html
> (looks like UtraSmooth sizes?)
> 
> From Royce Bair on the Epson Wide Format group:
> 
> 1. "A. Andrew Gonzalez" also wrote:
>  <<Interesting.....there's a mention of a "PremierArt UltraSmooth
>  Fine Art Paper" next to the UltraSmooth from Epson. I wonder if
>  they're similar or the same? Why mention the PremierArt
>  UltraSmooth Fine Art Paper if it's not in the above test?
>  No mention of the papers specs on the PremierArt site, only
>  that's it's now available.>>
> 
>  Mmmm.... Remember when Epson first introduced their Smooth
>  and Texture Fine Art papers, and mentioned that they were made
>  by Crane? And also Epson's own "Somerset Velvet" (similar to
>  Legion's Somerset Photo Enhanced). Need I say more? I'll just
>  say that InkjetART will be carrying BOTH the Epson UltraSmooth
>  Fine Art and the PremierArt paper (Henry W. made a slip here, it
>  will be called just "PremierArt", and not "PremierArt
>  UltraSmooth"). Our stocks of PremierArt should arrive within two
>  weeks (the 250 g/m2 and the 325 g/m2 -- 500 g/m2 are being
>  delayed).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Does anyone know if this is a re-branded version of the Epson
> > >Ultrasmooth Fine Art paper we have been waiting for?
> > >http://www.wmpaulstore.com/primpr.html
> >
> > There is a PremierArt name that is now attached to UltraSmooth.  Howeve=
r,=
> > the UltraSmooth paper has not been released yet.  Furthermore, the size=
s
> > that are apparently for sale at the above site are not Epson sizes.  So=
,

> > beware.  This is probably not the real thing.
> >
> > Epson Pro Media head says end of August is now the release date.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com