Digital BW, The Print

Dave,
 
thanks for your answer. The bad news is that inks positions have been
switched, and this means that old curves are totally useless (otherwise
minor tweakings by pure trial&error might have been enough), and I really
need ink separation, working on a 1160 (six-inks printers can probably get
away very well with simpler workflows such as Woolf's). The good news is
that these inks actually seem better...
Anyone else?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Tevis [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: giovedì 4 ottobre 2001 02.06
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS Full spectrum. Reports?



Alex,

I've been using the FS inks for a while now.  I also used the 
original quads and the differences are noticable... for me 
anyway. Though I never could get the Brandon curves to work, I 
had good results with the Nevins transfer curves. Since I 
switched inks I use the John Woolf workflow. My prints look 
great.

The most noticable difference is a cooler tone. They also have 
the tones shifted to the lighter end of the scale, and a deeper 
black. Another item of interest is that they changed the ink tone 
placment. ( which tone feeds which head ) It now matches the 
Piezo system. So if you switch you will need new cartridges, and 
a new workflow. Brandon curves will be way off. Woolf method is 
good.

Good Luck
Dave

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alessandro Pardi 
<alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> I was wondering if anyone has had the chance to try the MIS 
Full spectrum inks and to compare them with the original MIS quads. I get 
very satisfactory results (except for weakish blacks) with the original 
quads and Brandin's workflow, but I'm afraid his curves wouldn't work with 
these new inks.




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Alex,

If you want to seperate the inks look at Dan Culbertsons work 
flows. He has done extesive work in this area. All based around 
the ink positions of the Piezo and MIS FS ink positions.  Most of 
his workflows involve using a rip, but from what I have seen they 
are very good at allowing full control. However they require some 
work on your part to get a good setup for you. I have worked a bit 
with it but I found the Woolf method to be so good that I havn't 
messed with Culbertsons methods in a while. 

Dave


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alessandro Pardi 
<alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> Dave,
>  
> thanks for your answer. The bad news is that inks positions 
have been
> switched, and this means that old curves are totally useless 
(otherwise
> minor tweakings by pure trial&error might have been enough), 
and I really
> need ink separation, working on a 1160 (six-inks printers can 
probably get
> away very well with simpler workflows such as Woolf's). The 
good news is
> that these inks actually seem better...
> Anyone else?
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Tevis [mailto:dave@t...]
> Sent: giovedì 4 ottobre 2001 02.06
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS Full spectrum. Reports?
> 
> 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> I've been using the FS inks for a while now.  I also used the 
> original quads and the differences are noticable... for me 
> anyway. Though I never could get the Brandon curves to work, I 
> had good results with the Nevins transfer curves. Since I 
> switched inks I use the John Woolf workflow. My prints look 
> great.
> 
> The most noticable difference is a cooler tone. They also have 
> the tones shifted to the lighter end of the scale, and a deeper 
> black. Another item of interest is that they changed the ink tone 
> placment. ( which tone feeds which head ) It now matches the 
> Piezo system. So if you switch you will need new cartridges, 
and 
> a new workflow. Brandon curves will be way off. Woolf method 
is 
> good.
> 
> Good Luck
> Dave
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alessandro Pardi 
> <alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >  
> > I was wondering if anyone has had the chance to try the MIS 
> Full spectrum inks and to compare them with the original MIS 
quads. I get 
> very satisfactory results (except for weakish blacks) with the 
original 
> quads and Brandin's workflow, but I'm afraid his curves 
wouldn't work with 

> these new inks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dave,

Can't you use the FS inks in order of the MIS Original ink positions? 
I am assuming you have a CIS and would have to clean in out but that 
would allow you to use your old workflow with the new inks.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alessandro Pardi 
<alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> Dave,
>  
> thanks for your answer. The bad news is that inks positions have 
been
> switched, and this means that old curves are totally useless 
(otherwise
> minor tweakings by pure trial&error might have been enough), and I 
really
> need ink separation, working on a 1160 (six-inks printers can 
probably get
> away very well with simpler workflows such as Woolf's). The good 
news is
> that these inks actually seem better...
> Anyone else?
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Tevis [mailto:dave@t...]
> Sent: giovedì 4 ottobre 2001 02.06
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS Full spectrum. Reports?
> 
> 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> I've been using the FS inks for a while now.  I also used the 
> original quads and the differences are noticable... for me 
> anyway. Though I never could get the Brandon curves to work, I 
> had good results with the Nevins transfer curves. Since I 
> switched inks I use the John Woolf workflow. My prints look 
> great.
> 
> The most noticable difference is a cooler tone. They also have 
> the tones shifted to the lighter end of the scale, and a deeper 
> black. Another item of interest is that they changed the ink tone 
> placment. ( which tone feeds which head ) It now matches the 
> Piezo system. So if you switch you will need new cartridges, and 
> a new workflow. Brandon curves will be way off. Woolf method is 
> good.
> 
> Good Luck
> Dave
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alessandro Pardi 
> <alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >  
> > I was wondering if anyone has had the chance to try the MIS 
> Full spectrum inks and to compare them with the original MIS quads. 
I get 
> very satisfactory results (except for weakish blacks) with the 
original 
> quads and Brandin's workflow, but I'm afraid his curves wouldn't 
work with 

> these new inks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]