Digital BW, The Print

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, digikdm wrote:

> In my experience the Hahnemuhle photorag is closer to EEM than Epson 
> Velvet Fine Art(EVFA) in overall texture and brightness. 

> The Dmax appears to be about the same for all three papers from visual
> inspection alone.

What ink are you using?  I definitely see a differnce in Dmax between EEM and PhotoRag when using UltraChrome ink.  I plan to try EVFA on Ron's recommendation.

> By the way, is the Hahnemuhle printable on either side????
> If only one side is printable, it's next to impossible to tell which 
> side is the printable surface. 

> For all I know, the few prints I've 
> made on Hahnemuhle could have been made on the wrong side. Given that 
> possibility , even the nonprintable side closely approximates EEM.
>  

I've printed on the wrong side of PhotoRag with PiezoTone ink and it results in a horrible looking image with poor Dmax.  To test which side is printable, try the tongue test.  If your tongue sticks, it is the printable side.

--Tom

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Thomas Fors" <tom@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] EEM vs. others


>
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, digikdm wrote:

> > By the way, is the Hahnemuhle printable on either side????
> > If only one side is printable, it's next to impossible to
tell which
> > side is the printable surface.
>
> > For all I know, the few prints I've
> > made on Hahnemuhle could have been made on the wrong side.
Given that
> > possibility , even the nonprintable side closely approximates
EEM.
> >
>
> I've printed on the wrong side of PhotoRag with PiezoTone ink
and it results in a horrible looking image with poor Dmax.  To
test which side is printable, try the tongue test.  If your
tongue sticks, it is the printable side.
>
> --Tom

To add to the confusion or to clear it up: there's a double sided
Photorag called Photorag Duo. About 200 gr/m2 so not the heavier
quality.

Ernst

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst Dinkla" 
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Fors" <tom@f...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] EEM vs. others
> 
> 
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, digikdm wrote:
> 
> > > By the way, is the Hahnemuhle printable on either side????
> > > If only one side is printable, it's next to impossible to
> tell which
> > > side is the printable surface.
> >
> > > For all I know, the few prints I've
> > > made on Hahnemuhle could have been made on the wrong side.
> Given that
> > > possibility , even the nonprintable side closely approximates
> EEM.
> > >
> >
> > I've printed on the wrong side of PhotoRag with PiezoTone ink
> and it results in a horrible looking image with poor Dmax.  To
> test which side is printable, try the tongue test.  If your
> tongue sticks, it is the printable side.
> >
> > --Tom
> 
> To add to the confusion or to clear it up: there's a double sided
> Photorag called Photorag Duo. About 200 gr/m2 so not the heavier
> quality.
> 


AND, there's a 310gm duo version, this is the heavier quality!
Great stuff but very expensive....
Steve


> Ernst