Digital BW, The Print

Bob, 
 
try to test the heads alignment, from the same printer utility dialog box where you run nozzle checks (I assume it's there also on the 1280, as on the 1160 and 870).
 
Alessandro

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Michaels [mailto:bob@...]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:32
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] fuzzy lines across the page, down are sharp


I always stroke a 1-5 pixel wide black border spaced 1/2" out side the
print area. But lately, I notice the borders running the length of the
paper are getting fuzzy. The ones across the paper remain sharp. I
think this is something new. 

Printing a test target, at 3.6lp/mm the lines across the page are
sharp while the ones going down the page blur together. 

1280, EEM, MIS FSN inks w/ G4 black, Epson driver, perfect nozzle
checks. I can raise the print head from -0- to -1- and it gets a lot
worse but I can't make it better.

Anyone got any clues how to fix?

Bob Michaels





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Hi Folks,

Sorry for mucking up the list with this FS stuff -  but I have one 9600 dust
cover left over from last month's group purchase. Out of 18 orders one
person backed out.

it's $86 delivered.

If anyone's interested please contact me off list.

Rick Murai

- so, I'm conflicted about this (among many other things....:-)  )

at around a similar price, for printing B&W (in addition to colour) on my
Epson 2200 in a Windows environment, what's the balance of opinion...:

Imageprint RIP

or the Septone system (with cartridges)

?

tim

> Epson 2200 in a Windows environment, what's the balance of 
opinion...:
> 
> Imageprint RIP
> 
> or the Septone system (with cartridges)
> 
> ?
> 
> tim

Tim,

I just went through the same exercise.  I chose IP due to the 
flexibility of printing color or B&W from the same printer.  I 
received the software Wednesday and had a fine B&W print later that 
night.  

I did a head to head comparison with a co-worker today with 
one of my silver prints from a few years ago.  He strongly preferred 
the digital version from IP.

If I could justify 2 printers, then perhaps I would've gone with 
dedicated B&W, but I couldn't, so IP it is, and I'm tickled to death.

Rob Adams

> If I could justify 2 printers, then perhaps I would've gone with 
> dedicated B&W, but I couldn't, so IP it is, and I'm tickled to 
death.
> 
> Rob Adams

I actually have both IP and the Septone system.   I haven't installed 
the Septone system yet, so I can't speak to it.  But (and I had this 
dialogue with someone here a few weeks ago, so sorry if this is 
repetitive), as I understand it, the Septone system does NOT require 
you to "dedicate" your 2200 printer solely to black and white.  When 
you want to go back to printing with the original color Epson inks, 
you remove the Septone cartridges and put the originals back in (then 
run a couple of head cleaning cycles).

Just wanted to make sure the wrong impression isn't given here.  As I 
understand it, it should be no problem to switch back and forth 
between the Spetone cartridges and the Epson cartidges (it probably 
gets expensive if you do it every day, though, since you have to run 
cleaning cycles when you switch, which wastes ink).

BTW, IP has worked great for me so far.  I'm exploring the Septone 
option just because.  ANd I'll post a detailed report here if I ever 
get time to make some prints....

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" 
<chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> 

//it should be no problem to switch back and forth 
between the Spetone cartridges and the Epson cartidges (it probably 
gets expensive if you do it every day, though, since you have to run 
cleaning cycles when you switch, which wastes ink).//

You're probably correct.  I would go broke swapping carts.  I print 
lots of color portraits, and will be printing a fair chunk of B&W 
scenics.  Let me know how you make out with the septones.  They sure 
were interesting, but I felt I'd need to dedicate a printer to avoid 
insanity.  For some of us, the drive to crazy isn't as long....

Rob

> I actually have both IP and the Septone system.   I haven't installed
> the Septone system yet, so I can't speak to it.  But (and I had this
> dialogue with someone here a few weeks ago, so sorry if this is
> repetitive), as I understand it, the Septone system does NOT require
> you to "dedicate" your 2200 printer solely to black and white.  When
> you want to go back to printing with the original color Epson inks,
> you remove the Septone cartridges and put the originals back in (then
> run a couple of head cleaning cycles).


I'll be very interested to hear your first (and second) impressions of both
systems side by side.

tim

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" 
<chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> BTW, IP has worked great for me so far.  I'm exploring the Septone 
> option just because.  ANd I'll post a detailed report here if I 
> ever get time to make some prints....

I very much look forward to reading your observations on the septone 
system vs. IP.

My concern with the former is the high price of the ink carts ($18 
apiece).  But I can't say that I'm crazy about the price of the IP 
RIP, or Colorbyte's rather restrictive support and upgrade policies.

Have you read Clayton's review of the last print exchange?  I found 
it very interesting that the plain old, vanilla Epson driver on the 
2200 coupled with custom Gretag-Macbeth profiles fared as well, if 
not better, than these RIPs.

Dan

Where would I find Clayton's review of the print exchange ?   TIA

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "winddancing" 
<winddancing@o...> wrote:
> Where would I find Clayton's review of the print exchange ?   TIA

http://www.cjcom.net/articles/techprnex.htm

I was referencing profile (8).

Dan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Honemann" 
<dan_honemann@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "winddancing" 
> <winddancing@o...> wrote:
> > Where would I find Clayton's review of the print exchange ?   TIA
> 
> http://www.cjcom.net/articles/techprnex.htm
> 
> I was referencing profile (8).
> 
> Dan

Thanks for posting the link to this.  I was not aware of this at all, 
and it looks like very interesting reading.  Also, this moots the 
message I posted right before Labor Day ("Print Exchange Idea -- 
please read (long)"), which was basically the same idea as what he's 
already done.

BTW, I installed my Septone system.  Unfortunately, I can't report on 
print quality yet b/c there's a serious problem with the cartridges 
(not just mine -- apparently, they sent out a batch that don't work 
well).

On the one hand, this doesn't increase my confidence in the Septone 
system.  On the other hand, after they got the first call regarding 
this problem (not from me -- I just installed mine on Sun.), they 
immediately called everyone who'd bought the system and said they'd 
be sending free replacement cartridges ASAP (which I hope is really 
soon).  So, despite the problem w. the cartridges, they get an A for 
effort in correcting the problem.

I'll post again as soon as I get the replacement cartridges and have 
a chance to run some prints.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" > 
> On the one hand, this doesn't increase my confidence in the Septone 
> system.  On the other hand, after they got the first call regarding 
> this problem (not from me -- I just installed mine on Sun.), they 
> immediately called everyone who'd bought the system and said they'd 
> be sending free replacement cartridges ASAP (which I hope is really 
> soon).

Sounds good, Chip.  Keep us posted.

Can you imagine Epson taking this approach to support?  

BULLETIN FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FROM EPSON CORP.:

Dear 2200 owner,

We're very sorry to report that we've discovered our current driver 
produces b&w prints with rather nasty metamerism.  Please accept our 
apologies, as well as the enclosed copy of ImagePrint 5.6, which will 
correct the problem.

---

Well, we can dream. ;)

Dan