Digital BW, The Print

Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte Scrapbook
Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media

I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd previously
been sent.

The lack of optical brighteners and flaking are especially notable.

Permajet has also sent me some papers.  They now have a winner which was
labeled "ISC" in the box I received.  It may be the best paper I've ever
used.  It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have no optical brighteners.
I have had not flaking with it yet, and it's dmax is the best of the cotton
papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 (Eboni & 1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and
PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61).

The paper whites measure as follows with my X-Rite (in C, M, Y, Visual
order) order:

EAM:		5, 5, 3, 5;

PhotoRag	3, 4, 3, 3;

PremierArt	2, 3, 4, 2;

ISC		3, 5, 7, 4.

While the PremierArt measures as having the brightest visual density, I find
PhotoRag looks the "whitest."  PremierArt and ISC both appear to me to be
about the same, and I prefer their creamier look next to the Light
Impressions Exeter "Gallery White" mat board I use.  The papers that do not
use the optical brighteners should be free of the yellowing I see in fade
testing the optically brightened papers.

Epson claims its PremierArt paper is the most archival it has.

I think buffered cotton papers, especially with no optical brighteners, take
us to an archival status that now exceeds the wet-process, older
technologies.  "Carbon on cotton" is the new mantra.

We have some very fine papers here.

To complement them and get the best inks to the scrapbook and genealogist
fans (or others who want to print from a non-Photoshop application), I've
sent MIS the mix for a pure carbon UT inkset that prints in the 1280 with no
need for Photoshop.  I'll also try to get the same capability to the
cheapest feasible Epson printer to open this up to the widest possible
audience.  This is a monotone, straight UT warm-gray ink that has no toner
and is not variable.  I think the carbon tone is ideal for old photo
reproductions.  Since it has no color pigments in it, it will probably be
the most stable and archival ink.  (The standard UT inkset is still what I
recommend for Photoshop users.  With the warm curve, it is essentially the
same as the "no-workflow" UT carbon inkset.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

According to this web site, this paper is only in sheets and only in 8.5" x
11" and 12" x 12"

Doesn't seem very useful to have such a great paper only available in these
sizes. What about larger formats?

Am I missing something?

Didn't you receive some of this stuff from Epson in a roll earlier in the
year?

I know Earnest Brooks printed his last show in Santa Barbara with Epson
UltraSmooth and it looked great - almost as good as your
stuff you had at the Solvang show :-) (notice I said 'almost' as good)

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:42 PM
  To: DigitalB&WPrint
  Subject: [Digital BW] New cotton papers -- Carbon on Cotton is the mantra


  Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte Scrapbook
  Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See


http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
  nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media

  I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd previously
  been sent.

  The lack of optical brighteners and flaking are especially notable.

  Permajet has also sent me some papers.  They now have a winner which was
  labeled "ISC" in the box I received.  It may be the best paper I've ever
  used.  It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have no optical brighteners.
  I have had not flaking with it yet, and it's dmax is the best of the
cotton
  papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 (Eboni & 1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66)
and
  PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61).

  The paper whites measure as follows with my X-Rite (in C, M, Y, Visual
  order) order:

  EAM:            5, 5, 3, 5;

  PhotoRag      3, 4, 3, 3;

  PremierArt      2, 3, 4, 2;

  ISC            3, 5, 7, 4.

  While the PremierArt measures as having the brightest visual density, I
find
  PhotoRag looks the "whitest."  PremierArt and ISC both appear to me to be
  about the same, and I prefer their creamier look next to the Light
  Impressions Exeter "Gallery White" mat board I use.  The papers that do
not
  use the optical brighteners should be free of the yellowing I see in fade
  testing the optically brightened papers.

  Epson claims its PremierArt paper is the most archival it has.

  I think buffered cotton papers, especially with no optical brighteners,
take
  us to an archival status that now exceeds the wet-process, older
  technologies.  "Carbon on cotton" is the new mantra.

  We have some very fine papers here.

  To complement them and get the best inks to the scrapbook and genealogist
  fans (or others who want to print from a non-Photoshop application), I've
  sent MIS the mix for a pure carbon UT inkset that prints in the 1280 with
no
  need for Photoshop.  I'll also try to get the same capability to the
  cheapest feasible Epson printer to open this up to the widest possible
  audience.  This is a monotone, straight UT warm-gray ink that has no toner
  and is not variable.  I think the carbon tone is ideal for old photo
  reproductions.  Since it has no color pigments in it, it will probably be
  the most stable and archival ink.  (The standard UT inkset is still what I
  recommend for Photoshop users.  With the warm curve, it is essentially the
  same as the "no-workflow" UT carbon inkset.)

  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 

> I've
> sent MIS the mix for a pure carbon UT inkset that prints in 
> the 1280 with no
> need for Photoshop.

I wish you would stop all this silly development and settle on something
so we would know what to buy next! <g>

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd 
previously
> been sent.
> 
> The lack of optical brighteners and flaking are especially 
notable.

Paul,
Thanks for the interesting report. BTW, I assume you meant to 
say:
 "The lack of optical brighteners and flaking _is_ especially 
notable." ;-)
Phil

Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  I'm using 
a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.  (I know 
Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 90 day 
support period).

Thanks!



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte 
Scrapbook
> Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
> 
> http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
> 
> I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd 
previously
> been sent.

David,

>According to this web site, this paper is only in sheets
>and only in 8.5" x 11" and 12" x 12"
>...What about larger formats?

See http://www.premierimagingproducts.com/media/index.html

They have a list of dealers there.

The one that sent me samples is Photo Warehouse, in Oxnard, CA.

See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/

Photo Warehouse has a catalog that indicates all the various sizes and rolls
are available.

I don't know why Epson is limiting itself.  I have a 24" roll from them that
have been fine.  Maybe those of us who care are just too small a market to
deal with.

I think the most important thing about the Epson release is that it verifies
that the PremierArt paper is, indeed, the same as the UltraSmooth.

>I know Earnest Brooks printed his last show in Santa Barbara with Epson
>UltraSmooth and it looked great - almost as good as your
>stuff you had at the Solvang show :-) (notice I said 'almost' as good)

Perhaps he needs to go to a good workshop.  It looks like I'll be leading
one at the Anderson Ranch this next summer.  (Thanks for the complement.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com



_____________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:42 PM
  To: DigitalB&WPrint
  Subject: [Digital BW] New cotton papers -- Carbon on Cotton is the mantra


  Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte Scrapbook
  Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See


http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
  nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media

  I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd previously
  been sent.

  The lack of optical brighteners and flaking are especially notable.

  Permajet has also sent me some papers.  They now have a winner which was
  labeled "ISC" in the box I received.  It may be the best paper I've ever
  used.  It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have no optical brighteners.
  I have had not flaking with it yet, and it's dmax is the best of the
cotton
  papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 (Eboni & 1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66)
and
  PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61).

  The paper whites measure as follows with my X-Rite (in C, M, Y, Visual
  order) order:

  EAM:            5, 5, 3, 5;

  PhotoRag      3, 4, 3, 3;

  PremierArt      2, 3, 4, 2;

  ISC            3, 5, 7, 4.

  While the PremierArt measures as having the brightest visual density, I
find
  PhotoRag looks the "whitest."  PremierArt and ISC both appear to me to be
  about the same, and I prefer their creamier look next to the Light
  Impressions Exeter "Gallery White" mat board I use.  The papers that do
not
  use the optical brighteners should be free of the yellowing I see in fade
  testing the optically brightened papers.

  Epson claims its PremierArt paper is the most archival it has.

  I think buffered cotton papers, especially with no optical brighteners,
take
  us to an archival status that now exceeds the wet-process, older
  technologies.  "Carbon on cotton" is the new mantra.

  We have some very fine papers here.

  To complement them and get the best inks to the scrapbook and genealogist
  fans (or others who want to print from a non-Photoshop application), I've
  sent MIS the mix for a pure carbon UT inkset that prints in the 1280 with
no
  need for Photoshop.  I'll also try to get the same capability to the
  cheapest feasible Epson printer to open this up to the widest possible
  audience.  This is a monotone, straight UT warm-gray ink that has no toner
  and is not variable.  I think the carbon tone is ideal for old photo
  reproductions.  Since it has no color pigments in it, it will probably be
  the most stable and archival ink.  (The standard UT inkset is still what I
  recommend for Photoshop users.  With the warm curve, it is essentially the
  same as the "no-workflow" UT carbon inkset.)

  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com



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Ed,

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]

>> I've sent MIS the mix for a pure carbon UT inkset that prints in
>> the 1280 with no need for Photoshop.

>I wish you would stop all this silly development and settle
>on something so we would know what to buy next! <g>

You're sounding like MIS!

Well, if you're on this list, the "no-workflow" inkset is NOT for you.  This
is aimed at novice printers who need archival properties -- genealogists and
scrapbookers, in particular.

MIS is sending me the cheapest Epson printer available to see how the
approach works on a $50 machine.  It'll probably look terrible, but there
are lots of people for whom a 1280 is just not a realistic option.  I have
this ethos that pushes me to get this technology to the point where everyone
can copy and print their fading old family photos in a way that will
preserve those images virtually forever.  (Well, probably just longer than
this civilization will last -- especially if California politics is an
indication.  Shoot, dyes could do that!)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

>Paul,
>Thanks for the interesting report. BTW, I assume you meant to
>say:
> "The lack of optical brighteners and flaking _is_ especially
>notable." ;-)

English is a second language for me.  Unfortunately, there is no first
language.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

chipcarterdc@... wrote:

>Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  I'm using
>a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.  (I know
>Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 90 day
>support period).

I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset recently.

So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper profiles -- like
PhotoRag's.

This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the shadows.  In color
this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
_____________________________





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte
Scrapbook
> Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
>
> http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
>
> I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd
previously
> been sent.





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Thanks! I'll try it with the PhotoRag profiles and post my 
impressions here when I get a chance (hopefully early next week).

One other question:  In your original post you mentioned 
that: "Permajet has also sent me some papers. They now have a winner 
which was labeled "ISC" in the box I received. It may be the best 
paper I've ever used. It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have no 
optical brighteners. I have had not flaking with it yet, and it's 
dmax is the best of the cotton papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 (Eboni & 
1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61)."

Is this paper commercially available under the name "ISC" or did you 
receive a pre-release evaluation sample?  I looked on PermaJet's 
website and couldn't pick out the paper you're talking about.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<p1aul.roark@v...> wrote:
> chipcarterdc@h... wrote:
> 
> >Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  I'm 
using
> >a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.  (I 
know
> >Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 90 day
> >support period).
> 
> I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset recently.
> 
> So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper 
profiles -- like
> PhotoRag's.
> 
> This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
> UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the shadows.  
In color
> this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> _____________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte
> Scrapbook
> > Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
> >
> > http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
> BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> > nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
> >
> > I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd
> previously
> > been sent.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>... In your original post you mentioned
>that: "Permajet has also sent me some papers. They now have a winner
>which was labeled "ISC" in the box I received. It may be the best
>paper I've ever used. It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have no
>optical brighteners. I have had no flaking with it yet, and it's
>dmax is the best of the cotton papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 (Eboni &
>1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61)."

>Is this paper commercially available under the name "ISC" or did you
>receive a pre-release evaluation sample?  I looked on PermaJet's
>website and couldn't pick out the paper you're talking about.

I have not received any further information on it.  I think Jobo is going to
be the primary U.S. distributor.  Hopefully the price will be reasonable,
but Permajet's record on that front is not encouraging.  I'll post any
information I get.

If nothing more, it indicates that the paper companies are focused on the
market now, and they are finding ways to improve the papers.  So with
PremierArt's paper as a baseline -- a 200+ year paper with a dmax of 1.61
for just under $1/letter-size sheet -- I'd say the paper picture is looking
good.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

________________________________________________


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<p1aul.roark@v...> wrote:
> chipcarterdc@h... wrote:
>
> >Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  I'm
using
> >a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.  (I
know
> >Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 90 day
> >support period).
>
> I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset recently.
>
> So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper
profiles -- like
> PhotoRag's.
>
> This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
> UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the shadows.
In color
> this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> _____________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as PremierArt Matte
> Scrapbook
> > Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
> >
> > http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
> BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> > nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
> >
> > I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd
> previously
> > been sent.
>
>
>
>
>
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Paul -
Other than the new papers you posted about, which cotton 
papers would you suggest I use for final printing? I currently use 
the EEM for proofing. My printer is the 1280, I am using the 
MIS/UT ink set with your curves.
Thanks,
Brian Pannier.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >... In your original post you mentioned
> >that: "Permajet has also sent me some papers. They now 
have a winner
> >which was labeled "ISC" in the box I received. It may be the 
best
> >paper I've ever used. It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have 
no
> >optical brighteners. I have had no flaking with it yet, and it's
> >dmax is the best of the cotton papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 
(Eboni &
> >1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and 
PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61)."
> 
> >Is this paper commercially available under the name "ISC" or 
did you
> >receive a pre-release evaluation sample?  I looked on 
PermaJet's
> >website and couldn't pick out the paper you're talking about.
> 
> I have not received any further information on it.  I think Jobo is 
going to
> be the primary U.S. distributor.  Hopefully the price will be 
reasonable,
> but Permajet's record on that front is not encouraging.  I'll post 
any
> information I get.
> 
> If nothing more, it indicates that the paper companies are 
focused on the
> market now, and they are finding ways to improve the papers.  
So with
> PremierArt's paper as a baseline -- a 200+ year paper with a 
dmax of 1.61
> for just under $1/letter-size sheet -- I'd say the paper picture is 
looking
> good.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> ________________________________________________
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
Roark"
> <p1aul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > chipcarterdc@h... wrote:
> >
> > >Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  I'm
> using
> > >a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.  
(I
> know
> > >Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 90 
day
> > >support period).
> >
> > I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset 
recently.
> >
> > So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper
> profiles -- like
> > PhotoRag's.
> >
> > This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
> > UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the 
shadows.
> In color
> > this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > _____________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as 
PremierArt Matte
> > Scrapbook
> > > Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
> > >
> > > 
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
> > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> > > 
nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media

> > >
> > > I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd
> > previously
> > > been sent.
>

Speaking of papers, there is a lot about papers in the current issue 
of the e-mailed newsletter "Ink Jet News" from Ink Jet Art. See

http://www.inkjetart.com/news.html

Sam

Paul....I went on the Epson site and found that they do not have the 
2200 on the list of recommended printers for the Premier Scrapbook 
sheets. Have you or any of the other members heard this? And has 
anyone printed Ultrasmooth or the Scrapbook sheets on a 2200? 
Thanks, Jim weekes


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
> Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > >... In your original post you mentioned
> > >that: "Permajet has also sent me some papers. They now 
> have a winner
> > >which was labeled "ISC" in the box I received. It may be the 
> best
> > >paper I've ever used. It is said to be cotton, buffered, and 
have 
> no
> > >optical brighteners. I have had no flaking with it yet, and it's
> > >dmax is the best of the cotton papers, equaling EAM at 1.67 
> (Eboni &
> > >1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and 
> PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61)."
> > 
> > >Is this paper commercially available under the name "ISC" or 
> did you
> > >receive a pre-release evaluation sample?  I looked on 
> PermaJet's
> > >website and couldn't pick out the paper you're talking about.
> > 
> > I have not received any further information on it.  I think Jobo 
is 
> going to
> > be the primary U.S. distributor.  Hopefully the price will be 
> reasonable,
> > but Permajet's record on that front is not encouraging.  I'll 
post 
> any
> > information I get.
> > 
> > If nothing more, it indicates that the paper companies are 
> focused on the
> > market now, and they are finding ways to improve the papers.  
> So with
> > PremierArt's paper as a baseline -- a 200+ year paper with a 
> dmax of 1.61
> > for just under $1/letter-size sheet -- I'd say the paper picture 
is 
> looking
> > good.
> > 
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > ________________________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
> Roark"
> > <p1aul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > chipcarterdc@h... wrote:
> > >
> > > >Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  
I'm
> > using
> > > >a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.  
> (I
> > know
> > > >Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 
90 
> day
> > > >support period).
> > >
> > > I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset 
> recently.
> > >
> > > So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper
> > profiles -- like
> > > PhotoRag's.
> > >
> > > This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
> > > UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the 
> shadows.
> > In color
> > > this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > > _____________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> "Paul Roark"
> > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as 
> PremierArt Matte
> > > Scrapbook
> > > > Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
> > > >
> > > > 
> http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
> > > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> > > > 
> nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
> > > >
> > > > I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that 
I'd

> > > previously
> > > > been sent.
> >

Brian,

>Other than the new papers you posted about, which cotton
>papers would you suggest I use for final printing? I currently use
>the EEM for proofing. My printer is the 1280, I am using the
>MIS/UT ink set with your curves.

I think that EEM/EAM for proofing and PhotoRag for the final makes a good
combination.  Media Street and some others have slightly better prices for
the paper, sometimes under different names.

I prefer the UltraSmooth/PremierArt due to it's lack of flaking and the lack
of optical brighteners.  However, PhotoRag is a great paper.  If you brush
it off or even use a blower to clean it's surface the flaking can be
minimized.

By the way, the Permajet ISC will not be out for another couple of months.
Too bad.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
___________________________________________




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >... In your original post you mentioned
> >that: "Permajet has also sent me some papers. They now
have a winner
> >which was labeled "ISC" in the box I received. It may be the
best
> >paper I've ever used. It is said to be cotton, buffered, and have
no
> >optical brighteners. I have had no flaking with it yet, and it's
> >dmax is the best of the cotton papers, equaling EAM at 1.67
(Eboni &
> >1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and
PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61)."
>
> >Is this paper commercially available under the name "ISC" or
did you
> >receive a pre-release evaluation sample?  I looked on
PermaJet's
> >website and couldn't pick out the paper you're talking about.
>
> I have not received any further information on it.  I think Jobo is
going to
> be the primary U.S. distributor.  Hopefully the price will be
reasonable,
> but Permajet's record on that front is not encouraging.  I'll post
any
> information I get.
>
> If nothing more, it indicates that the paper companies are
focused on the
> market now, and they are finding ways to improve the papers.
So with
> PremierArt's paper as a baseline -- a 200+ year paper with a
dmax of 1.61
> for just under $1/letter-size sheet -- I'd say the paper picture is
looking
> good.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
> ________________________________________________
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
Roark"
> <p1aul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > chipcarterdc@h... wrote:
> >
> > >Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?  I'm
> using
> > >a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.
(I
> know
> > >Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their 90
day
> > >support period).
> >
> > I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset
recently.
> >
> > So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper
> profiles -- like
> > PhotoRag's.
> >
> > This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
> > UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the
shadows.
> In color
> > this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > _____________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as
PremierArt Matte
> > Scrapbook
> > > Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
> > >
> > >
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
> > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
> > >
nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
> > >
> > > I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that I'd
> > previously
> > > been sent.
>



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I've used the PremierArt "Ultrasmooth" (now called Hot Press Fine Art)  
in the 325 gsm weight and it prints just fine with the UC inks in the  
2200 (using manual feed slot).

Carl Schofield

On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 06:10  PM, jymbo4600 wrote:

> Paul....I went on the Epson site and found that they do not have the
> 2200 on the list of recommended printers for the Premier Scrapbook
> sheets. Have you or any of the other members heard this? And has
> anyone printed Ultrasmooth or the Scrapbook sheets on a 2200?
> Thanks, Jim weekes
>
>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
>> Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>>>> ... In your original post you mentioned
>>>> that: "Permajet has also sent me some papers. They now
>> have a winner
>>>> which was labeled "ISC" in the box I received. It may be the
>> best
>>>> paper I've ever used. It is said to be cotton, buffered, and
> have
>> no
>>>> optical brighteners. I have had no flaking with it yet, and it's
>>>> dmax is the best of the cotton papers, equaling EAM at 1.67
>> (Eboni &
>>>> 1280), and beating PhotoRag (1.66) and
>> PremierArt/UltraSmooth (1.61)."
>>>
>>>> Is this paper commercially available under the name "ISC" or
>> did you
>>>> receive a pre-release evaluation sample?  I looked on
>> PermaJet's
>>>> website and couldn't pick out the paper you're talking about.
>>>
>>> I have not received any further information on it.  I think Jobo
> is
>> going to
>>> be the primary U.S. distributor.  Hopefully the price will be
>> reasonable,
>>> but Permajet's record on that front is not encouraging.  I'll
> post
>> any
>>> information I get.
>>>
>>> If nothing more, it indicates that the paper companies are
>> focused on the
>>> market now, and they are finding ways to improve the papers.
>> So with
>>> PremierArt's paper as a baseline -- a 200+ year paper with a
>> dmax of 1.61
>>> for just under $1/letter-size sheet -- I'd say the paper picture
> is
>> looking
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
>> Roark"
>>> <p1aul.roark@v...> wrote:
>>>> chipcarterdc@h... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Paul: what profile did you use for printing on this paper?
> I'm
>>> using
>>>>> a 2200 and ImagePrint and would like to try this paper out.
>> (I
>>> know
>>>>> Colorbyte will create profiles, but I'm way outside of their
> 90
>> day
>>>>> support period).
>>>>
>>>> I have been making "UltraSmooth" curves for the UT inkset
>> recently.
>>>>
>>>> So, with a RIP, I'd just try some of the other cotton paper
>>> profiles -- like
>>>> PhotoRag's.
>>>>
>>>> This might work with B&W.  One thing I've noticed with the
>>>> UltraSmooth/PremierArt paper is that it goes cold in the
>> shadows.
>>> In color
>>>> this could be a problem until specific profiles are written.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>>> _____________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
>> "Paul Roark"
>>>> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>>>>> Epson UltraSmooth has been released by Epson as
>> PremierArt Matte
>>>> Scrapbook
>>>>> Photo Paper -- and at a reasonable price.  See
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?
>>>> BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
>>>>>
>> nfoType=Overview&oid=-11066&category=Paper+%26+Media
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some and it prints just like the "UltraSmooth" that
> I'd
>>>> previously
>>>>> been sent.
>>>
>
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