Digital BW, The Print

Hi Cara,

Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via many techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You only mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@...>
> Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> 
> Hello,
> I am relatively new to digital photography and have a dumb question. 
> I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it as a b & w.
>  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 3.2 mg pixels
> camera. 
> 
> Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what product?  I don't
> have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively cheap (s/w
> package) that could be downloaded or shareware that accomplishes this
> easily?
> 
> P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very happy with to
> print these out on.  
> 
> Any and all advice appreciated!
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Cara
> 
> 
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Alan,
I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will this do
the trick? 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Hi Cara,
> 
> Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via many
techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You only
mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> 
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > 
> > Hello,
> > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a dumb question. 
> > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it as a b & w.
> >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 3.2 mg pixels
> > camera. 
> > 
> > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what product?  I don't
> > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively cheap (s/w
> > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that accomplishes this
> > easily?
> > 
> > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very happy with to
> > print these out on.  
> > 
> > Any and all advice appreciated!
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Cara
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Cara-

Pretty much all the photo editing software will convert color images 
into B&W images for printing.  You want to look in your software for 
the DESATURATE command to accomplish this.

good luck-

rob






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cara Curreri" 
<ctb1206@y...> wrote:
> Alan,
> I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will this 
do
> the trick? 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Cara,
> > 
> > Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via many
> techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You only
> mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> > 
> > Alan Huntley
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a dumb 
question. 
> > > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it as a 
b & w.
> > >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 3.2 mg 
pixels
> > > camera. 
> > > 
> > > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what product?  I 
don't
> > > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively cheap (s/w
> > > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that 
accomplishes this
> > > easily?
> > > 
> > > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very happy 
with to
> > > print these out on.  
> > > 
> > > Any and all advice appreciated!
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Cara
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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Cara,
Sorry I am not familiar with PhotoImpact. But, others have responded with good suggestions. I had completely forgotten about IrfanView...and that's free.

If you decide to buy something, I also highly recommend Picture Window (www.dl-c.com). The standard version will get you started nicely. The pro version, which I use, has some extra tools like the Color Correction transformation that I just could live without.

Welcome and good luck with all your digital imaging endeavours.

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@...>
> Date: 2003/10/24 Fri PM 01:51:37 EDT
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> 
> Alan,
> I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will this do
> the trick? 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Cara,
> > 
> > Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via many
> techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You only
> mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> > 
> > Alan Huntley
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a dumb question. 
> > > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it as a b & w.
> > >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 3.2 mg pixels
> > > camera. 
> > > 
> > > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what product?  I don't
> > > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively cheap (s/w
> > > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that accomplishes this
> > > easily?
> > > 
> > > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very happy with to
> > > print these out on.  
> > > 
> > > Any and all advice appreciated!
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Cara
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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> 
> 
> 
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>

Desaturate will not generally give you the best results.  It simply 
takes the lowest value from all channels and uses that for a gray 
value.  If you don't want to think about what you are doing the 
convert to grayscale command will probably be better because (one 
would hope) that the software maker put at least some minimal thought 
into it.

...for that matter, if you don't want to think about what you are 
doing, you might as well just set your camera to "b&w effect".

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "antelobo" 
<antelobo@y...> wrote:
> Cara-
> 
> Pretty much all the photo editing software will convert color 
images 
> into B&W images for printing.  You want to look in your software 
for 
> the DESATURATE command to accomplish this.
> 
> good luck-
> 
> rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cara Curreri" 
> <ctb1206@y...> wrote:
> > Alan,
> > I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will 
this 
> do
> > the trick? 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > > Hi Cara,
> > > 
> > > Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via many
> > techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You only
> > mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> > > 
> > > Alan Huntley
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a dumb 
> question. 
> > > > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it as 
a 
> b & w.
> > > >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 3.2 
mg 
> pixels
> > > > camera. 
> > > > 
> > > > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what product?  I 
> don't
> > > > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively cheap 
(s/w
> > > > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that 
> accomplishes this
> > > > easily?
> > > > 
> > > > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very happy 
> with to
> > > > print these out on.  
> > > > 
> > > > Any and all advice appreciated!
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Cara
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The 
page 
> is at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > > 
> > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
you
> > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by
> > visiting this same page.
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> subject
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or 
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the

> > various resources on the homepage. 
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> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cara Curreri" 
<ctb1206@y...> wrote:
> Alan,
> I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will this 
do
> the trick? 
> 
Cara, I have a lot of experience with PhotoImpact, it was my first 
editor. It will convert to B&W-any editor will, but it has some 
fatal flaws for the kind of work we're doing if you decide to get 
beyond simple convert & print with the OEM inks. For one, it 
isn't 'ICM compliant' meaning you can't get it to use standard ICM 
profiles to control the printing; that will hurt your color printing 
down the road, and eliminates Jon Cone's new approach to B&W. You 
can't choose the colorspace to work in, it's either sRGB or no 
control at all; you can't do the B&W conversion via the channel 
mixer, which gives some of the best results and provides better 
control over the tonal range, and finally, you can't import the 
curves Paul Roark's workflow uses, which wipes out that whole 
approach. But while you have the trial version, try the 'Duotone 
effect, that seems to provide decent conversion, and sepia options 
to boot. If that's all you need , then it might be enough,but 
PhotoImpact has geared itself so much towards the web, that it has 
become of very limited value for serious B&W or color printing.
 I would recommend Paintshop Pro if you want all the above and lots 
of other 'bells&whistles', or Picture Window if you want a more pure 
photo editor, and as another poster put it 'haven't been 
contaminated' by the Adobe workflow/mindset. 

Regards,

Steve Karafyllakis

Mark,

LOL...I always look for the "Best B&W Effect" stamp on all my B&W film boxes.

Thanks for the chuckle! <GGG>

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
> Date: 2003/10/24 Fri PM 03:34:20 EDT
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> 
> Desaturate will not generally give you the best results.  It simply 
> takes the lowest value from all channels and uses that for a gray 
> value.  If you don't want to think about what you are doing the 
> convert to grayscale command will probably be better because (one 
> would hope) that the software maker put at least some minimal thought 
> into it.
> 
> ...for that matter, if you don't want to think about what you are 
> doing, you might as well just set your camera to "b&w effect".
> 
> mark
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "antelobo" 
> <antelobo@y...> wrote:
> > Cara-
> > 
> > Pretty much all the photo editing software will convert color 
> images 
> > into B&W images for printing.  You want to look in your software 
> for 
> > the DESATURATE command to accomplish this.
> > 
> > good luck-
> > 
> > rob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cara Curreri" 
> > <ctb1206@y...> wrote:
> > > Alan,
> > > I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will 
> this 
> > do
> > > the trick? 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Cara,
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via many
> > > techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You only
> > > mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> > > > 
> > > > Alan Huntley
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > > > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a dumb 
> > question. 
> > > > > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it as 
> a 
> > b & w.
> > > > >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 3.2 
> mg 
> > pixels
> > > > > camera. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what product?  I 
> > don't
> > > > > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively cheap 
> (s/w
> > > > > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that 
> > accomplishes this
> > > > > easily?
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very happy 
> > with to
> > > > > print these out on.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any and all advice appreciated!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > Cara
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> > > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The 
> page 
> > is at:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
> you
> > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by
> > > visiting this same page.
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> or 
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> > > > > 
> > > > >
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
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>

All it has to say is Tri-X ;)

mark

PS  Of course the orignial post was from a digital user.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> LOL...I always look for the "Best B&W Effect" stamp on all my B&W 
film boxes.
> 
> Thanks for the chuckle! <GGG>
> 
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@y...>
> > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri PM 03:34:20 EDT
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > 
> > Desaturate will not generally give you the best results.  It 
simply 
> > takes the lowest value from all channels and uses that for a gray 
> > value.  If you don't want to think about what you are doing the 
> > convert to grayscale command will probably be better because (one 
> > would hope) that the software maker put at least some minimal 
thought 
> > into it.
> > 
> > ...for that matter, if you don't want to think about what you are 
> > doing, you might as well just set your camera to "b&w effect".
> > 
> > mark
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "antelobo" 
> > <antelobo@y...> wrote:
> > > Cara-
> > > 
> > > Pretty much all the photo editing software will convert color 
> > images 
> > > into B&W images for printing.  You want to look in your 
software 
> > for 
> > > the DESATURATE command to accomplish this.
> > > 
> > > good luck-
> > > 
> > > rob
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cara 
Curreri" 
> > > <ctb1206@y...> wrote:
> > > > Alan,
> > > > I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will 
> > this 
> > > do
> > > > the trick? 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Cara,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via 
many
> > > > techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You 
only
> > > > mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Alan Huntley
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > > > > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > > > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a 
dumb 
> > > question. 
> > > > > > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it 
as 
> > a 
> > > b & w.
> > > > > >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800, 
3.2 
> > mg 
> > > pixels
> > > > > > camera. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what 
product?  I 
> > > don't
> > > > > > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively 
cheap 
> > (s/w
> > > > > > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that 
> > > accomplishes this
> > > > > > easily?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very 
happy 
> > > with to
> > > > > > print these out on.  
> > > > > > 
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Tri-X 4x5, it will be a veru long time before the digital camera users 
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tomorrow morning shooting and looking forward to what magic comes our of 
the developer.

Truman

Mark Hahn wrote:

> All it has to say is Tri-X ;)
>
> mark
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Agreed!!! My (our) beloved Tri-X. Hopefully, it will be around for many more
years despite Father Kodak's current financial issues.

Alan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dumb Question


> All it has to say is Tri-X ;)
>
> mark
>
> PS  Of course the orignial post was from a digital user.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > LOL...I always look for the "Best B&W Effect" stamp on all my B&W
> film boxes.
> >
> > Thanks for the chuckle! <GGG>
> >
> > Alan Huntley
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@y...>
> > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri PM 03:34:20 EDT
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > >
> > > Desaturate will not generally give you the best results.  It
> simply
> > > takes the lowest value from all channels and uses that for a gray
> > > value.  If you don't want to think about what you are doing the
> > > convert to grayscale command will probably be better because (one
> > > would hope) that the software maker put at least some minimal
> thought
> > > into it.
> > >
> > > ...for that matter, if you don't want to think about what you are
> > > doing, you might as well just set your camera to "b&w effect".
> > >
> > > mark
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "antelobo"
> > > <antelobo@y...> wrote:
> > > > Cara-
> > > >
> > > > Pretty much all the photo editing software will convert color
> > > images
> > > > into B&W images for printing.  You want to look in your
> software
> > > for
> > > > the DESATURATE command to accomplish this.
> > > >
> > > > good luck-
> > > >
> > > > rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cara
> Curreri"
> > > > <ctb1206@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Alan,
> > > > > I just downloaded a trial version of Ulead PhotoImpact.  Will
> > > this
> > > > do
> > > > > the trick?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Cara,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, conversion of RGB images files to B&W can be done via
> many
> > > > > techniques within some sort of imaging editing software. You
> only
> > > > > mention that you don't have PS...what are you using?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alan Huntley
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: "Cara Curreri" <ctb1206@y...>
> > > > > > > Date: 2003/10/24 Fri AM 11:53:43 EDT
> > > > > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Dumb Question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > I am relatively new to digital photography and have a
> dumb
> > > > question.
> > > > > > > I would like to take a digital (color) image and print it
> as
> > > a
> > > > b & w.
> > > > > > >  How is this accomplished?  I have a Fuji FinePix 3800,
> 3.2
> > > mg
> > > > pixels
> > > > > > > camera.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is this accomplished thru software?  If so, what
> product?  I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > have adobe photoshop.  Is there something relatively
> cheap
> > > (s/w
> > > > > > > package) that could be downloaded or shareware that
> > > > accomplishes this
> > > > > > > easily?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > P.S. I have a HP 7350 Photojet printer that I am very
> happy
> > > > with to
> > > > > > > print these out on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any and all advice appreciated!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > > Cara
> > > > > > >
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Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Truman Prevatt" <tprevatt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dumb Question


> Tri-X 4x5, it will be a veru long time before the digital camera users
> can even hope to come close :-). Speaking of which I'm going out
> tomorrow morning shooting and looking forward to what magic comes our of
> the developer.
>
> Truman
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