Digital BW, The Print

I've looked on the MIS website and also searched the archives here 
but haven't been able to find any information on fading for the MIS 
PK ink. Anyone have information about fading?

Chris Hargens

Chris,

>I've looked on the MIS website and also searched the archives here 
>but haven't been able to find any information on fading for the MIS 
>PK ink. ...

I did initial comparative fade testing of the MIS and Epson black inks,
including the PK and Light K from both companies.  The UC and MIS PK and LK
are all comparable and excellent -- better than the Epson Archival pigments.
(Epson Archival black is about like the old FS/VM K -- i.e., a different and
lower league.)  It's the UC color pigs that "weaken" that inkset relative to
the Epson Archival color pigments.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks, Paul, for information. I've made a few prints with UT inkset 
on my new 1280 -- overall I'm happy with the tonal transitions, the 
shadow and highlight detail, and the general look. What seems to be 
lacking -- and, again, I've only made a few prints, so this is 
provisional judgement -- is a strong, deep black. I got more of one 
with the Generations black that I was using a few months ago. Anyway, 
that lack of black is why I'm interested in exploring the semi-
gloss/semi-matte alternatives. Do the curves you've developed for 
various matte papers (and the Eboni black) require much tweaking to 
get good results with the MIS PK and Epson's semi-gloss/semi-matte 
papers?

Chris Hargens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> >I've looked on the MIS website and also searched the archives here 
> >but haven't been able to find any information on fading for the 
MIS 
> >PK ink. ...
> 
> I did initial comparative fade testing of the MIS and Epson black 
inks,
> including the PK and Light K from both companies.  The UC and MIS 
PK and LK
> are all comparable and excellent -- better than the Epson Archival 
pigments.
> (Epson Archival black is about like the old FS/VM K -- i.e., a 
different and
> lower league.)  It's the UC color pigs that "weaken" that inkset 
relative to

> the Epson Archival color pigments.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Chris,

>... I've made a few prints with UT inkset 
>on my new 1280 -- overall I'm happy....
>What seems to be lacking ... is a strong, deep black. I got more of one 
>with the Generations black ...

Gen Enhanced black is a hybrid dye/pigment that will probably produce a
deeper black than any pure pigment K.

>...that lack of black is why I'm interested in exploring the semi-
>gloss/semi-matte alternatives. 

Yes, I think that is a common reaction.  With the luck we are having
controlling the bronzing with PremierArt spray, and with the Wilhelm ratings
of Premier Semigloss and the PremierArt spray, that approach has now become
very interesting to me also.

>Do the curves you've developed for 
>various matte papers (and the Eboni black) require much tweaking to 
>get good results with the MIS PK and Epson's semi-gloss/semi-matte 
>papers?

Dirk Hobman has probably done the most with the UT inkset and glossy papers.
I think that some tweaking will be necessary.  He may be willing to share
his curves.  He also wrote a good tutorial on modifying the curves that is
on the MIS "What's New" page.

I now have UT2 in my 1280, so I'm not in a position to know how the Premium
Semigloss works with the UT matte curves.  I had tried a few other glossy
papers, and some worked fairly well.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
_________________________________



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> >I've looked on the MIS website and also searched the archives here 
> >but haven't been able to find any information on fading for the 
MIS 
> >PK ink. ...
> 
> I did initial comparative fade testing of the MIS and Epson black 
inks,
> including the PK and Light K from both companies.  The UC and MIS 
PK and LK
> are all comparable and excellent -- better than the Epson Archival 
pigments.
> (Epson Archival black is about like the old FS/VM K -- i.e., a 
different and
> lower league.)  It's the UC color pigs that "weaken" that inkset 
relative to
> the Epson Archival color pigments.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com


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