Digital BW, The Print

hello,
is it possible with Black Only printing obtaining
neutral bw prints?
with the archival (enhanced) matte and epson matte black I always 
have brownish tones, also with +20% of density.
I must buy a third part black cartridge for BO printing?
Is this possible?
If I try the photo black on archival with BO I had greenish tones 
(and a lot of metamerism!)
and with semi-gloss quite good prints but with high bronzing.

thanks in advance and greetins,
andrea

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DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andreamorphine" 
<andreamorphine@y...> wrote:
> hello,
> is it possible with Black Only printing obtaining
> neutral bw prints?
> with the archival (enhanced) matte and epson matte black I always 
> have brownish tones, also with +20% of density.
> I must buy a third part black cartridge for BO printing?
> Is this possible?
> If I try the photo black on archival with BO I had greenish tones 
> (and a lot of metamerism!)
> and with semi-gloss quite good prints but with high bronzing.
> 
> thanks in advance and greetins,
> andrea

IMHO, BO printing and third party inks are a poor substitute 
compared with using something like ImagePrint Lite RIP.

The costs are similar, and the results with IP are far superior for 
a couple of reasons.

(1) BO printing uses just one color and dithering. The dithering 
pattern is usually quite obvious. Some people do not mind them, but 
many people do. When you use the full 7-colors available on the 
Epson 2200 for B&W, you get continuous gray tones without dithering.

(2) The results are very unreliable. I used BO printing with the 
Epson 2200 and got prints that were acceptable only with the lighter 
weight Arches Infinity paper.

(3) Third party inks violate the warranty on your printer, and they 
tend to cause problems over time. Clogging, issues with drying time, 
etc. Just look at the threads here and on the Epson 2200 group from 
people with third-party ink problems.

If you use IP Lite, you will have less bronzing and neutral gray 
tones with the Epson Ultrachrome inks.

Cheers,

Mitch

> If you use IP Lite, you will have less bronzing and neutral gray 
> tones with the Epson Ultrachrome inks.

thanks,. but IP is really too expensive for my, I downloaded power 
rip 2000 demo, do you think is good enough? It costs 200 euro circa..

andrea

> (3) Third party inks violate the warranty on your printer, and they 
> tend to cause problems over time. Clogging, issues with drying 
time, 
> etc. Just look at the threads here and on the Epson 2200 group from 
> people with third-party ink problems.

Do you mean to tell us that MIS, InkjetMall, Lyson and others are 
knowingly selling third party inks which violate the warranty on 
Epson printers ?

Also, to make such assertions, you surely must have some legals basis 
and jurisprudence to back up those claims. What are they ?

Or are you just a troll ?

Cheers,
Andre

Hi,

     Can hardly believe my eyes.

     What is wrong with MIS, InkjetMall, Lyson etc selling inks which 
violate the warrany of Epson printers?.       Why should they not be able 
to do so.    Many people have Epson printers working long after the 
warranty has expired.    Would your peculiar thinking deprive them of the 
right to use any ink they feel like?.

      Many people might like to use those inks even if it voids the Epson 
warranty.      Perhaps the inks will give them some effect they 
particularly desire.    Perhaps they prefer to use the products even if it 
voids their warranty.   Would you deprive them of their right to do so?.

On the other hand I think Epson is perfectly within its right to insist 
that for their warranty to be honoured you must use only Epson Inks. Epson 
papers, and Epson anything else.    They cannot possibly warranty any 
combination of any products that anybody, anywhere might dream up.

It boils down to common sense and caution.   If you want to stray from the 
path required by your warranty, research, ask, read, etc. etc. and take the 
risk if you consider it worthwhile.

Jurisprudence.   My foot !!! .    As always:  Caveat Emptor.  Buyer beware.

We already have enough legal garbage and litigatory excess here.     This 
country, as far as I am concerned, is rapidly turning into one of the 
lawyers, by the lawyers and for the lawyers.     All the rest of us just to 
shut up, pay and do what is allowed us.

        Best Alex

At 11:01 AM 1/8/2004, you wrote:

> > (3) Third party inks violate the warranty on your printer, and they
> > tend to cause problems over time. Clogging, issues with drying
>time,
> > etc. Just look at the threads here and on the Epson 2200 group from
> > people with third-party ink problems.
>
>Do you mean to tell us that MIS, InkjetMall, Lyson and others are
>knowingly selling third party inks which violate the warranty on
>Epson printers ?
>
>Also, to make such assertions, you surely must have some legals basis
>and jurisprudence to back up those claims. What are they ?
>
>Or are you just a troll ?
>
>Cheers,
>Andre
>
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--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andreamorphine" 
<andreamorphine@y...> wrote:
> 
> > If you use IP Lite, you will have less bronzing and neutral gray 
> > tones with the Epson Ultrachrome inks.
> 
> thanks,. but IP is really too expensive for my, I downloaded power 
> rip 2000 demo, do you think is good enough? It costs 200 euro 
circa..
> 
> andrea

I'm not a Mac user. So, our options are fewer re. RIPs.

I believe IP Lite is the least expensive option for PC users. Nearly 
$500 US.

Cheers,

Mitch

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" 
<am1000@v...> wrote:
> 
> > (3) Third party inks violate the warranty on your printer, and 
they 
> > tend to cause problems over time. Clogging, issues with drying 
> time, 
> > etc. Just look at the threads here and on the Epson 2200 group 
from 
> > people with third-party ink problems.
> 
> Do you mean to tell us that MIS, InkjetMall, Lyson and others are 
> knowingly selling third party inks which violate the warranty on 
> Epson printers ?
> 
> Also, to make such assertions, you surely must have some legals 
basis 
> and jurisprudence to back up those claims. What are they ?
> 
> Or are you just a troll ?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andre

I can read the warranty from Epson that shipped with my printer. ;)

One might ask you the same thing. Are you a troll?

If you look back over the threads for the last week during which 
I've been a member, you'd see that I've tried to help a number of 
people on this forum. How about you?

Cheers,

Mitch