Digital BW, The Print

Curious:

What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000?
I'm wondering also if MIS (or others) have plans/intentions to 
create All-Black inks for the 4000, or is this even necessary?

I'm using the 1280 with a CIS system using MIS Full Spectrum.  I'm 
mostly interested in the 4000 just for the 16x20" capabilities.  So, 
finally, will the 4000 allow one to make Hiqh-Quality, All Black Ink 
prints and color prints without swapping ink tanks?

Thanks!
Chris

Chris,

>What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000? ...

I have one on order.  The UT2, UT7 inkset development is aimed at the 4000.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/

Chris, 

Septone is in final development for the 4000. The inksets are 
already in place because of the 7600 and 9600, but the driver is 
different and should be ready within a couple of months. This will 
allow you to use 220ml Septone Cartridges in the 4000. This is the 
same setup that Andy Summers (lead guitarist for the rock band 
Police) is using in his 9600 currently. Andy's work is absolutely 
incredible. Everything from photos of Sting and himself in the glory 
days, to more recent work of Spain which is to die for.

Greg

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "petroscans" 
<chris@p...> wrote:
> Curious:
> 
> What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000?
> I'm wondering also if MIS (or others) have plans/intentions to 
> create All-Black inks for the 4000, or is this even necessary?
> 
> I'm using the 1280 with a CIS system using MIS Full Spectrum.  I'm 
> mostly interested in the 4000 just for the 16x20" capabilities.  
So, 
> finally, will the 4000 allow one to make Hiqh-Quality, All Black 
Ink 

> prints and color prints without swapping ink tanks?
> 
> Thanks!
> Chris

Are there any plans to offer Mac support for the Septone system for wide-
format printers (7600/9600 (and 4000))?  If I understand correctly, 
PixelPicasson RIP is required to run Septones on the 7600/9600, but it is 
Windows-only.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Schern" <
gschern@y...> wrote:

> Chris, 
> 
> Septone is in final development for the 4000. The inksets are 
> already in place because of the 7600 and 9600, but the driver is 
> different and should be ready within a couple of months. This will 
> allow you to use 220ml Septone Cartridges in the 4000. This is the 
> same setup that Andy Summers (lead guitarist for the rock band 
> Police) is using in his 9600 currently. Andy's work is absolutely 
> incredible. Everything from photos of Sting and himself in the glory 
> days, to more recent work of Spain which is to die for.
> 
> Greg
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "petroscans" 
> <chris@p...> wrote:
> > Curious:
> > 
> > What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000?
> > I'm wondering also if MIS (or others) have plans/intentions to 
> > create All-Black inks for the 4000, or is this even necessary?
> > 
> > I'm using the 1280 with a CIS system using MIS Full Spectrum.  I'm 
> > mostly interested in the 4000 just for the 16x20" capabilities.  
> So, 
> > finally, will the 4000 allow one to make Hiqh-Quality, All Black 
> Ink 
> > prints and color prints without swapping ink tanks?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Chris

I've seen a beautiful B&W print from the 4000.  Don't know how it was printed, other than 
that is used the std driver.

From what Epson has told me I expect to make great B&W "as shipped".

Scott
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "petroscans" <chris@p...> wrote:

> Curious:
> 
> What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000?
> I'm wondering also if MIS (or others) have plans/intentions to 
> create All-Black inks for the 4000, or is this even necessary?
> 
> I'm using the 1280 with a CIS system using MIS Full Spectrum.  I'm 
> mostly interested in the 4000 just for the 16x20" capabilities.  So, 
> finally, will the 4000 allow one to make Hiqh-Quality, All Black Ink 
> prints and color prints without swapping ink tanks?
> 
> Thanks!
> Chris

> From what Epson has told me I expect to make great B&W "as shipped".

I'll play skeptic here and suggest you (and we all) lower our expectations of 
the 4000 "as shipped" for B&W.  Unless Epson has radically redisgned the 
drivers a la ImagePrint, the best to be hoped for is neutrality in a single 
lighting condition known beforehand, not the elimination of metamerism.  And 
if they have so radically redesigned the drivers, I can't think of any reason why 
such drivers couldn't be made available for existing Ultrachrome printers.

Don't get me wrong: I would love for an Epson ultrachrome printer to produce 
neutral, non-colorshifting B&Ws out of the box.  But I ain't holding my breath.  If 
I'm wrong, I'll buy 2 4000s and take my words back immediately.

And just on the off chance that anyone form Epson reads this stuff: what I think 
everyone (OK, maybe just me) would really love is a 12 color Ultrachrome 
printer: the 8 inks currently in the 4000; plus 3 more varying density grayscale 
inks; plus a gloss optimizer coating like the R800.  This would seem to me to 
be a simple case of Business 101: sell the razor blades, not the razors.  A 12 
color printer would cost a lot more than current models, but couldn't possibly 
cost as much as 2 printers (one w color inks and one w. grayscale), so a lot of 
(serious) people would gobble them up.  Then Epson can charge us double 
the price for each grayscale ink cartridge as compared to the color ones.  OR, 
users who have no need for grayscale capability could configure it to hold 
extra C, M and Y for double printing speed.  Or whatever.  Epson currently 
seems to be in the business of selling the razors rather than the blades: make 
great printers, but let other companies (MIS, Lyson, Colorbyte,  Septone, 
whoever else) get rich selling the blades.

(And while I'm at it: as interesting as the forthcoming Epson digital rangefinder 
sounds, I'd rather see Epson's R&D $ go toward printers and inks, and buy my 
cameras elsewhere).

Ah, if I only had several million dollars and control over a multinational 
corporation....

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" <
gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> I've seen a beautiful B&W print from the 4000.  Don't know how it was 
printed, other than 

> that is used the std driver.
> 
> From what Epson has told me I expect to make great B&W "as shipped".
>

On Mar 22, 2004, at 1:20 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Chris,
>
>> What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000? ...
>
> I have one on order.  The UT2, UT7 inkset development is aimed at the 
> 4000.
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

Pretty exciting possibilities using the 4000.
Although, I'm leaning toward dedicating a 7600 or 9600 to B&W.

John Toles
Dragonfly Imaging & Printing
http://www.dragonflyprinting.com/
http://www.dragonflygallery.ca/

John,

The UT7 inks are in beta testing on a 7600.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/

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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] "Septone" inks for the Epson 4000

On Mar 22, 2004, at 1:20 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Chris,
>
>> What is the word about Variable Tone inksets for the Epson 4000? ...
>
> I have one on order.  The UT2, UT7 inkset development is aimed at the 
> 4000.
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

Pretty exciting possibilities using the 4000.
Although, I'm leaning toward dedicating a 7600 or 9600 to B&W.

John Toles
Dragonfly Imaging & Printing
http://www.dragonflyprinting.com/
http://www.dragonflygallery.ca/




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