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Paul,

Which ink will be used in the 2200 LK ink position with the UT 7 inkset?

Carl

Carl,

Although it's a close call, I decided to use a cooled-down version of Light
Black for the LK position in UT7.  The LK has very little effect on the
images except where no curves and no sliders are used.  However, in that
"default" position where the driver assumes we want a true grayscale image,
the LK is used considerably all the way up to 60%.  So, the prints are
warmer up to that point.

With most papers this didn't bother me.  Moreover, if I want to cool the
print, the sliders or curves work fine.  However, with Arches Hot Press, I
really want to have the LK used to the max.  It makes for noticeably
smoother shadows on that paper.  On Arches HP, the warm cross-over was
bothersome.  So, that convinced me to use the neutralized LK.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:33 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] UT 7 LK ink position?

Paul,

Which ink will be used in the 2200 LK ink position with the UT 7 inkset?

Carl



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Thanks for the info Paul.  Is the neutralized LK density higher than 
the C and M grays?  I was wondering if it could be also be used in a 
partitioned workflow with a RIP to yield 3 grays such as LK>C+M>LC+LM 
or if the LK density is intermediate then C+M>LK>LC+LM.

Carl

On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 12:08  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
> Although it's a close call, I decided to use a cooled-down version of 
> Light
> Black for the LK position in UT7.  The LK has very little effect on the
> images except where no curves and no sliders are used.  However, in 
> that
> "default" position where the driver assumes we want a true grayscale 
> image,
> the LK is used considerably all the way up to 60%.  So, the prints are
> warmer up to that point.
>
> With most papers this didn't bother me.  Moreover, if I want to cool 
> the
> print, the sliders or curves work fine.  However, with Arches Hot 
> Press, I
> really want to have the LK used to the max.  It makes for noticeably
> smoother shadows on that paper.  On Arches HP, the warm cross-over was
> bothersome.  So, that convinced me to use the neutralized LK.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> _____________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:33 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] UT 7 LK ink position?
>
> Paul,
>
> Which ink will be used in the 2200 LK ink position with the UT 7 
> inkset?
>
> Carl
>
>
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Carl,

>... Is the neutralized LK density higher than the C and M grays?

No, the C & M grays are slightly darker than LK.

I might be possible to use in as an intermediate gray, but the tone is not a
match for either the M or C.  It's slightly warm still, so that it more
closely matches the combined inks that are used when no curves or sliders
are used.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  

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On Sunday, March 28, 2004, at 12:08  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
> Although it's a close call, I decided to use a cooled-down version of 
> Light
> Black for the LK position in UT7.  The LK has very little effect on the
> images except where no curves and no sliders are used.  However, in 
> that
> "default" position where the driver assumes we want a true grayscale 
> image,
> the LK is used considerably all the way up to 60%.  So, the prints are
> warmer up to that point.
>
> With most papers this didn't bother me.  Moreover, if I want to cool 
> the
> print, the sliders or curves work fine.  However, with Arches Hot 
> Press, I
> really want to have the LK used to the max.  It makes for noticeably
> smoother shadows on that paper.  On Arches HP, the warm cross-over was
> bothersome.  So, that convinced me to use the neutralized LK.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> _____________
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:33 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] UT 7 LK ink position?
>
> Paul,
>
> Which ink will be used in the 2200 LK ink position with the UT 7 
> inkset?
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
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