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2004-05-19 by arreiscachi
Please direct me to where I might find info regarding equipment, software, film, etc. necessary for creating my own greeting cards to sell, using my black and white negatives? Is it more economical to invest in a digital camera, software, etc for my Imac? If so, what is recommended? Thank you. Maria
2004-05-20 by Stan Shire
Maria I think you will find that self-publishing greeting cards will cost more than a wholesale return will recover. At best you will spend a tremendous amount of time and money for a very small return. The issues that you need to consider are: A: What is your distribution channel? Are you going "shop-to-shop" acting as your own sales staff? B: The envelope and packaging costs such as boxes for the cards. C: What is your output method. Inkjet cards produced one at a time will be very expensive to produce. In addition, black and white printing is an art unto itself and will require a lot of experimenting, tweaking and reading this forum. Not that it can't be done. Most of us on this forum have gotten lovely black and white prints (based on what I've seen from print exchanges) D: The camera equipment is virtually inconsequential to the process. At greeting card size, just about any decent film or digital camera is going to produce an image that will look great. I would seriously consider producing some sample sets and contacting greeting card publishers to produce, market and distribute them. I may have this all wrong. You may just be considering selling a few cards or sets at local craft fairs, etc. If so disregard the above, get a camera (digital would be my choice for this application), learn how to do a grayscale conversion in PS, decide on a paper, and learn to make lovely grayscale prints. Above all....enjoy the process.
-----Original Message----- From: arreiscachi [mailto:artistasierra@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:33 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] direction Please direct me to where I might find info regarding equipment, software, film, etc. necessary for creating my own greeting cards to sell, using my black and white negatives? Is it more economical to invest in a digital camera, software, etc for my Imac? If so, what is recommended? Thank you. Maria Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-05-21 by sierra
Stan, Thank you for your response. My ultimate goal would be to be published by a greeting card company. Of course, I don't know the pros and cons to that, so... My plan was just to start going shop to shop and possible art fairs and sell them on a small scale at first. Is there a better site to explore the options available and pros/cons to creating income with our photography. The only other thing that I know about is stock photog. Does publishing our photog. legally prohibit us from doing any kind of art exhibits in the future? Is this the site to continue to ask questions like this? Maria on 5/20/04 5:00 AM, Stan Shire at stan@... wrote: Maria I think you will find that self-publishing greeting cards will cost more than a wholesale return will recover. At best you will spend a tremendous amount of time and money for a very small return. The issues that you need to consider are: A: What is your distribution channel? Are you going "shop-to-shop" acting as your own sales staff? B: The envelope and packaging costs such as boxes for the cards. C: What is your output method. Inkjet cards produced one at a time will be very expensive to produce. In addition, black and white printing is an art unto itself and will require a lot of experimenting, tweaking and reading this forum. Not that it can't be done. Most of us on this forum have gotten lovely black and white prints (based on what I've seen from print exchanges) D: The camera equipment is virtually inconsequential to the process. At greeting card size, just about any decent film or digital camera is going to produce an image that will look great. I would seriously consider producing some sample sets and contacting greeting card publishers to produce, market and distribute them. I may have this all wrong. You may just be considering selling a few cards or sets at local craft fairs, etc. If so disregard the above, get a camera (digital would be my choice for this application), learn how to do a grayscale conversion in PS, decide on a paper, and learn to make lovely grayscale prints. Above all....enjoy the process.
-----Original Message----- From: arreiscachi [mailto:artistasierra@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:33 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] direction Please direct me to where I might find info regarding equipment, software, film, etc. necessary for creating my own greeting cards to sell, using my black and white negatives? Is it more economical to invest in a digital camera, software, etc for my Imac? If so, what is recommended? Thank you. Maria Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-05-21 by John Vitollo
> Is there a better site to explore the options available and pros/cons to > creating income with our photography. The only other thing that I know > about is stock photog. Does publishing our photog. legally prohibit us from > doing any kind of art exhibits in the future? Is this the site to continue > to ask questions like this? > > Maria One of the best sites for information with art fairs, sales and small volume cards is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/artshow_photo/messages/ Don't leave this group though and tell use what you find!
2004-05-22 by Glenn Barry
many years ago I shot some 5 x 4 copies of paintings for a woman that was going from shop to shop in the Rocks, a busy tourist area in Sydney. She had her cards printed was doing exactly what you are proposing and doing quite well at it. She'd been building up her client base for a while, but was making a go of it. I do't know if the concept of single Inkjet output cards would be profitable in the begining, but it may allow you to determine the most popular cards to begin with, then have them comercially printed in sufficient quantities to make it economically feasible. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "sierra" <artistasierra@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] direction > Stan, > > Thank you for your response. > > My ultimate goal would be to be published by a greeting card company. Of > course, I don't know the pros and cons to that, so... My plan was just to > start going shop to shop and possible art fairs and sell them on a small > scale at first. > > Is there a better site to explore the options available and pros/cons to > creating income with our photography. The only other thing that I know > about is stock photog. Does publishing our photog. legally prohibit us from > doing any kind of art exhibits in the future? Is this the site to continue > to ask questions like this? > > Maria > > on 5/20/04 5:00 AM, Stan Shire at stan@... wrote: > > Maria > I think you will find that self-publishing greeting cards will cost more > than a wholesale return will recover. At best you will spend a > tremendous amount of time and money for a very small return. The issues > that you need to consider are: > A: What is your distribution channel? Are you going "shop-to-shop" > acting as your own sales staff? > B: The envelope and packaging costs such as boxes for the cards. > C: What is your output method. Inkjet cards produced one at a time will > be very expensive to produce. In addition, black and white printing is > an art unto itself and will require a lot of experimenting, tweaking and > reading this forum. Not that it can't be done. Most of us on this forum > have gotten lovely black and white prints (based on what I've seen from > print exchanges) > D: The camera equipment is virtually inconsequential to the process. At > greeting card size, just about any decent film or digital camera is > going to produce an image that will look great. > > I would seriously consider producing some sample sets and contacting > greeting card publishers to produce, market and distribute them. > > I may have this all wrong. You may just be considering selling a few > cards or sets at local craft fairs, etc. If so disregard the above, get > a camera (digital would be my choice for this application), learn how to > do a grayscale conversion in PS, decide on a paper, and learn to make > lovely grayscale prints. > Above all....enjoy the process. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: arreiscachi [mailto:artistasierra@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:33 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] direction > > Please direct me to where I might find info regarding equipment, > software, film, etc. necessary for creating my own greeting cards > to sell, using my black and white negatives? Is it more > economical to invest in a digital camera, software, etc for my > Imac? If so, what is recommended? > > Thank you. > > Maria > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources > as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this > same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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