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2004-11-05 by photographyworks
Hi all friends and neighbors, please send a message to the addresses above at least,concerning that they should provide a sharpening sw (software) for greyscale files too and not for stupid rgb files. These guys are sooo weak regarding this approach..................................wake up usa! cheers. the president of austria
2004-11-05 by Stephen Kobrin
Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "photographyworks" <photographyworks@y...> wrote: > > Hi all friends and neighbors, > please send a message to the addresses above at least,concerning > that they should provide a sharpening sw (software) for greyscale > files too and not for stupid rgb files. These guys are sooo weak > regarding this approach..................................wake up usa! > cheers. > the president of austria
2004-11-05 by Mark Savoia
Use it everyday for both grayscale and color. It works great! Mark On Nov 5, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Stephen Kobrin wrote: > > Is this serious?� I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a > problem.� My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. > > Steve > > --- In > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "photographyworks" > <photographyworks@y...> wrote: > > > > Hi all friends and neighbors, > > please send a message to the addresses above at least,concerning > > that they should provide a sharpening sw (software) for greyscale > > files too and not for stupid rgb files. These guys are sooo weak > > regarding this approach..................................wake up > usa! > > cheers. > > the president of austria > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <f2_free2_300x250_def_0904.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-11-05 by Tom Baker
NIK Sharp works with greyscale. Tom Baker photographyworks <photographyworks@...> wrote: Hi all friends and neighbors, please send a message to the addresses above at least,concerning that they should provide a sharpening sw (software) for greyscale files too and not for stupid rgb files. These guys are sooo weak regarding this approach..................................wake up usa! cheers. the president of austria Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-11-06 by Bill Cheadle
>Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a >problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. >Steve For those printing with QTR your going to convert to 8 bit anyway. If not, the printer driver will convert to 8 bit for you. So, other than having to manually convert to use NIK, and maintain a separate file, the outcome is the same. I use FM, NIK and sometimes PS CS USM, and sometimes a combo. They all have their place depending on the image and what you're doing with it. BTW, at a recent seminal I attended, I aske the NIK rep about 16 bit. He didn't give me a time frame, but did indicate that 16 bit was on their list for a future upgrade. Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004
2004-11-06 by Steve Kale
Photokit Sharperner Pro works in 16bit. The issue with a sharpening kit that doesn't work in 16 bit is that you have to convert to 8 bit to do your capture sharpening - before your colour/image adjustments and resizing to print size. Clearly not a satisfactory situation.
> From: Bill Cheadle <wpcheadle@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:01:18 -0500 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: NIK SHARPENER, or Fred Miranda???!!!!! > > >> Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a >> problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. > >> Steve > > > For those printing with QTR your going to convert to 8 bit anyway. If not, > the printer driver will convert to 8 bit for you. So, other than having to > manually convert to use NIK, and maintain a separate file, the outcome is > the same. > > I use FM, NIK and sometimes PS CS USM, and sometimes a combo. They all have > their place depending on the image and what you're doing with it. > > BTW, at a recent seminal I attended, I aske the NIK rep about 16 bit. He > didn't give me a time frame, but did indicate that 16 bit was on their list > for a future upgrade. >
2004-11-06 by Carl Schofield
I use Photokit for RGB images from my digital camera, but for 16 bit gray scans of 4x5 negatives I've been using Deadman's Super Sharpener action (link below). Photokit only works in RGB mode and file sizes get to be quite large and unwieldy after converting large grayscale scans to 16 bit RGB. http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html
On Saturday, November 6, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Steve Kale wrote: > > > Photokit Sharperner Pro works in 16bit. The issue with a sharpening > kit > that doesn't work in 16 bit is that you have to convert to 8 bit to do > your > capture sharpening - before your colour/image adjustments and resizing > to > print size. Clearly not a satisfactory situation. > >> From: Bill Cheadle <wpcheadle@...> >> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:01:18 -0500 >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: NIK SHARPENER, or Fred Miranda???!!!!! >> >> >>> Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a >>> problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. >> >>> Steve >> >> >> For those printing with QTR your going to convert to 8 bit anyway. If >> not, >> the printer driver will convert to 8 bit for you. So, other than >> having to >> manually convert to use NIK, and maintain a separate file, the >> outcome is >> the same. >> >> I use FM, NIK and sometimes PS CS USM, and sometimes a combo. They >> all have >> their place depending on the image and what you're doing with it. >> >> BTW, at a recent seminal I attended, I aske the NIK rep about 16 bit. >> He >> didn't give me a time frame, but did indicate that 16 bit was on >> their list >> for a future upgrade. >> > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See „Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines‰ in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE „OWNER‰ > AND „MODERATORS‰ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE „OWNER‰ AND „MODERATORS‰ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2004-11-06 by Carl Schofield
Sorry, the Deadman action I'm using for 16 bit gray files is the "Custom Sharpen" and not "Super Sharpener".
On Saturday, November 6, 2004, at 01:22 PM, Carl Schofield wrote: > > I use Photokit for RGB images from my digital camera, but for 16 bit > gray scans of 4x5 negatives I've been using Deadman's Super Sharpener > action (link below). Photokit only works in RGB mode and file sizes > get to be quite large and unwieldy after converting large grayscale > scans to 16 bit RGB. > http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html > > On Saturday, November 6, 2004, at 12:05 PM, Steve Kale wrote: > >> >> >> Photokit Sharperner Pro works in 16bit. The issue with a sharpening >> kit >> that doesn't work in 16 bit is that you have to convert to 8 bit to do >> your >> capture sharpening - before your colour/image adjustments and resizing >> to >> print size. Clearly not a satisfactory situation. >> >>> From: Bill Cheadle <wpcheadle@...> >>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >>> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:01:18 -0500 >>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: NIK SHARPENER, or Fred Miranda???!!!!! >>> >>> >>>> Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without >>>> a >>>> problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. >>> >>>> Steve >>> >>> >>> For those printing with QTR your going to convert to 8 bit anyway. If >>> not, >>> the printer driver will convert to 8 bit for you. So, other than >>> having to >>> manually convert to use NIK, and maintain a separate file, the >>> outcome is >>> the same. >>> >>> I use FM, NIK and sometimes PS CS USM, and sometimes a combo. They >>> all have >>> their place depending on the image and what you're doing with it. >>> >>> BTW, at a recent seminal I attended, I aske the NIK rep about 16 bit. >>> He >>> didn't give me a time frame, but did indicate that 16 bit was on >>> their list >>> for a future upgrade. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other >> resources as they are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish >> to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting >> this same page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from >> the membership without notice. >> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital >> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be >> removed from the membership. >> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and >> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group >> Owner and Moderators. See „Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines‰ in the >> Files section: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ >> >> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE >> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE „OWNER‰ >> AND „MODERATORS‰ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE >> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, >> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, >> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE >> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE „OWNER‰ AND „MODERATORS‰ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT >> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), >> RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, >> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF >> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD >> PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER >> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. 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2004-11-06 by Bill Cheadle
I agree...that's where I will use either FM (if I'm ok with flattening the image at that point - I usually set black point and levels before I do anything else) or USM if I don't like what FM gives me, or need to hang on to my layers. Or, if I'm doing a brightly colors image I might use the high pass method. I usually reserve NIK for the final sharpening after the image has been sized for output, but might use another if I don't like NIK. I think my point is that you really need to have more than one trick up your sleeve and use what looks best...I'll have to check out Photokit - hadn't heard of that one before this thread...
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:05 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: NIK SHARPENER, or Fred Miranda???!!!!! Photokit Sharperner Pro works in 16bit. The issue with a sharpening kit that doesn't work in 16 bit is that you have to convert to 8 bit to do your capture sharpening - before your colour/image adjustments and resizing to print size. Clearly not a satisfactory situation.
2004-11-07 by Mr_Misty_44
For those of you working in Windows there is a great sharpening program by the name of Focal Blade http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/focalblade/index.htm There is a good review on Luminous-Landscape.com. It is considered by this site to be one of the two best, PhotoKit Sharpener being the other. John H --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@b...> wrote: > > Photokit Sharperner Pro works in 16bit. The issue with a sharpening kit > that doesn't work in 16 bit is that you have to convert to 8 bit to do your > capture sharpening - before your colour/image adjustments and resizing to > print size. Clearly not a satisfactory situation. > > > From: Bill Cheadle <wpcheadle@i...> > > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:01:18 -0500 > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: NIK SHARPENER, or Fred Miranda???!!!!! > > > > > >> Is this serious? I use Nik on Grayscale files all the time without a > >> problem. My only bitch is that you have to convert to 8 bit first. > > > >> Steve > > > > > > For those printing with QTR your going to convert to 8 bit anyway. If not, > > the printer driver will convert to 8 bit for you. So, other than having to > > manually convert to use NIK, and maintain a separate file, the outcome is > > the same. > > > > I use FM, NIK and sometimes PS CS USM, and sometimes a combo. They all have > > their place depending on the image and what you're doing with it. > > > > BTW, at a recent seminal I attended, I aske the NIK rep about 16 bit. He > > didn't give me a time frame, but did indicate that 16 bit was on their list > > for a future upgrade. > >