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2004-11-17 by Steve Kale
So many people seem to have clogging problems with MIS inks (me included) that it begs the question as to what it is that these inks lacks that Epson UC inks have. Even their UC equivalent inks clog like hell. It has been mentioned here that one way to get rid of a persistent clog is to reload Epson inks. So what gives? Why so many problems with the MIS inks vs Epson? (Please let's not turn this into a why use, at all, MIS inks vs Epson...)
2004-11-17 by Jake Hellbach
Hi Steve, I've been using MIS VM inks in my 1270 for almost a year. Only once did I have a clog but it was in the tubing for one of the inks. One other time the black ink stopped printing and that was due to foam. I used the technique from MIS and it went away. Maybe I was just lucky or it might be some printers are more prone to clogs. Jake Fine Art Photography www.jakehellbachphoto.com
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...] So many people seem to have clogging problems with MIS inks (me included) that it begs the question as to what it is that these inks lacks that Epson UC inks have. Even their UC equivalent inks clog like hell. It has been mentioned here that one way to get rid of a persistent clog is to reload Epson inks. So what gives? Why so many problems with the MIS inks vs Epson? (Please let's not turn this into a why use, at all, MIS inks vs Epson...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-11-17 by Carl Schofield
I always assumed it was the poor cartridge design (sponge interior and foaming) that caused most of the clogging problems with the MIS inks. I'm now going to try again with the new cartridges and see if this improves performance.
On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 05:02 PM, Steve Kale wrote: > > > So many people seem to have clogging problems with MIS inks (me > included) that it begs > the question as to what it is that these inks lacks that Epson UC inks > have. Even their UC > equivalent inks clog like hell. It has been mentioned here that one > way to get rid of a > persistent clog is to reload Epson inks. So what gives? Why so many > problems with the > MIS inks vs Epson? > > (Please let's not turn this into a why use, at all, MIS inks vs > Epson...) > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2004-11-17 by Steve Kale
Did you clarify the link to the new cartridges?
> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:19:24 -0500 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS Ink Clogs > > > I always assumed it was the poor cartridge design (sponge interior and > foaming) that caused most of the clogging problems with the MIS inks. > I'm now going to try again with the new cartridges and see if this > improves performance. >
2004-11-17 by dlruckus
I once cut open some 1200 cartridges w/MIS inks that I had great dificulty with and found that the sponges were full of hard congealed spots of ink, particularly the black one. It looked more like a case of polymerization(sic) than anything else. The bulk inks had been around for 10-11 months or so before loading the cartridges and they had been reloaded 2 or 3 times. This also occured for me with a cis after 6 months or so of use. I came to the conclusion that there is a reason for the bag cartridges in the pro model Epsons. So far I haven't seen the problem with my 3000 but I'll keep my fingers crossed and the machine on a wobbly stand :) Duane --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@m...> wrote: > I always assumed it was the poor cartridge design (sponge interior and > foaming) that caused most of the clogging problems with the MIS inks. > I'm now going to try again with the new cartridges and see if this > improves performance. > > > On Wednesday, November 17, 2004, at 05:02 PM, Steve Kale wrote: > > > > > > > So many people seem to have clogging problems with MIS inks (me > > included) that it begs > > the question as to what it is that these inks lacks that Epson UC inks > > have. Even their UC > > equivalent inks clog like hell. It has been mentioned here that one > > way to get rid of a > > persistent clog is to reload Epson inks. So what gives? Why so many > > problems with the > > MIS inks vs Epson? > > > > (Please let's not turn this into a why use, at all, MIS inks vs > > Epson...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > > the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > > Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the > > Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" > > AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
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2004-11-18 by Hogarth Hughes
It's pigment inks in general. They all clog, UltraChromes included. The only clog from hell I've had on my 7600 was from UltraChromes -- had to get a tech. out under warranty, and he spent all afternoon before he cleared it. Since then I've been using Piezotones. A number of minor clogs in the last year, but all relatively easy to clear. I think pigment inks are evil. But, the best grayscale inks we've got right now are pigment inks. Sigh.... -- Hogarth Hughes Steve Kale wrote:
> > So many people seem to have clogging problems with MIS inks (me > included) that it begs > the question as to what it is that these inks lacks that Epson UC inks > have. Even their UC > equivalent inks clog like hell. It has been mentioned here that one > way to get rid of a > persistent clog is to reload Epson inks. So what gives? Why so many > problems with the > MIS inks vs Epson? > > (Please let's not turn this into a why use, at all, MIS inks vs Epson...) > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd > AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor* > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129tpdsm9/M=298184.5584357.6650215.3001176/D=groups/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1100815386/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Yahoo! Groups Links* > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2004-11-18 by Michael Hung
I don't know what I have right now.. clog/microbanding/whatever on my 1270 with UT2 carts.. But I spent the whole last night trying to get rid of the microbanding without much success.. (I just got the UT2 carts 1 week ago and printed fine for around 20 prints until last night) Michael --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Hellbach" <jake@j...> wrote: > Hi Steve, > I've been using MIS VM inks in my 1270 for almost a year. Only once did I have a clog but it was in the > tubing for one of the inks. > One other time the black ink stopped printing and that was due to foam. I used the technique from MIS and > it went away. > Maybe I was just lucky or it might be some printers are more prone to clogs.
2004-11-18 by Douglas Meeuwsen
dont know what density your prints were, but it possible that one of the tanks is low after 20 prints....I usually get about 30 prints out a cartridge. Is the red light on? when you check the ink level, how high is it?. That may have something to do with it. Just a stab in the dark.....Doug M On Nov 17, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Michael Hung wrote: > > I don't know what I have right now.. clog/microbanding/whatever on my > 1270 with UT2 carts.. But I spent the whole last night trying to get > rid of the microbanding without much success.. > > (I just got the UT2 carts 1 week ago and printed fine for around 20 > prints until last night) > > Michael > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Hellbach" > <jake@j...> wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > I've been using MIS VM inks in my 1270 for almost a year. Only once > did I have a clog but it was in the > > tubing for one of the inks. > > One other time the black ink stopped printing and that was due to > foam. I used the technique from MIS and > > it went away. > > Maybe I was just lucky or it might be some printers are more prone > to clogs. > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > <logo_25x25.gif> > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > <image.tiff> > > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-11-18 by Michael Hung
My ink level's only about a bit less than half.. no red light yet. I just tried cleaning the underside of the printhead.. it's dirty.. but still no luck.. may be I should go the windex route? Michael --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> dont know what density your prints were, but it possible that one of > the tanks is low after 20 prints....I usually get about 30 prints out a > cartridge. Is the red light on? when you check the ink level, how high > is it?. That may have something to do with it. Just a stab in the > dark.....Doug M
2004-11-18 by Michael Hung
Finally.. after 2 evenings/nights of trying everything possible.. I finally get my 1270 back to working condition.. I had to put the original Epson carts back, purge-check-clean-print till everything's normal with color (took 2 cycles). Then I switch back to the UT2 carts. Another cleaning-checking cycle later.. it's printing great b/w again.. Michael --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> dont know what density your prints were, but it possible that one of > the tanks is low after 20 prints....I usually get about 30 prints out a > cartridge. Is the red light on? when you check the ink level, how high > is it?. That may have something to do with it. Just a stab in the > dark.....Doug M