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UT2 cold tones not very cold

UT2 cold tones not very cold

2004-12-17 by Pieris Berreitter

I just yesterday got my 1280 with UT2 running. I tried both of 
Roark's methods, sliders and curves, but was unable to get a decent 
cool toned image. I printed a bit of the ink purging pattern and see 
that, with automatic printer settings, all tones are easily 
discernable. But when applying sliders or curves in Roark's workflow, 
the first three bars look black, black, and black.

Am I doing something wrong? I can scan the results if that would 
facilitate troubleshooting.

Re: UT2 cold tones not very cold

2004-12-18 by Pieris Berreitter

I received from Paul a scan of the nozzle test pattern with/without 
cold curves applied, and it matches exactly what I'm seeing. So I 
know my inks are good. I will work with the sliders to try to get a 
cooler tone. I'll let you know what I find.

-Pieris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pieris 
Berreitter" <pieris@y...> wrote:
> 
> I just yesterday got my 1280 with UT2 running. I tried both of 
> Roark's methods, sliders and curves, but was unable to get a decent 
> cool toned image. I printed a bit of the ink purging pattern and 
see 
> that, with automatic printer settings, all tones are easily 
> discernable. But when applying sliders or curves in Roark's 
workflow,
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> the first three bars look black, black, and black.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? I can scan the results if that would 
> facilitate troubleshooting.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: UT2 cold tones not very cold

2004-12-18 by Paul Roark

Pieris,

You won't get very cold with the sliders.  Start with the cool curve for the
paper you're using (be sure you're driver is in the No Color Adjustment
mode) and move the green curve up substantially.  Then move the red curve
down about an equal amount.  The cyan ink is very cold, so with a proper
curve I suspect it'll get plenty cold for you.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pieris Berreitter [mailto:pieris@...] 
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:31 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: UT2 cold tones not very cold



I received from Paul a scan of the nozzle test pattern with/without 
cold curves applied, and it matches exactly what I'm seeing. So I 
know my inks are good. I will work with the sliders to try to get a 
cooler tone. I'll let you know what I find.

-Pieris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Pieris 
Berreitter" <pieris@y...> wrote:
> 
> I just yesterday got my 1280 with UT2 running. I tried both of 
> Roark's methods, sliders and curves, but was unable to get a decent 
> cool toned image. I printed a bit of the ink purging pattern and 
see 
> that, with automatic printer settings, all tones are easily 
> discernable. But when applying sliders or curves in Roark's 
workflow, 
> the first three bars look black, black, and black.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? I can scan the results if that would 
> facilitate troubleshooting.






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tremendous Dmax gain with UT2 CFS

2004-12-22 by Allan Chen

All,
	Something weird just happened to me.  I just upgraded from using UT2 
catridges in my 1280 to the CFS, both with Eboni inks.  Before, with the 
carts, I found that my prints came out a bit lower in contrast than my 
screen.  No big deal - I just went a little farther with the curves than 
I normally would.  However, now the blacks (in particular) are WAAAAY 
darker than they were before.  I've completely lost shadow detail in a 
number of instances.
	The bottle is clearly labeled Eboni, and I've checked that the CFS is 
installed correctly (right tubes to the right carts, etc).  Any idea if 
there is a formulation difference that could account for this?  Could 
the bottle have settled in some way that would cause this.  It's really 
dramatic.

thanks and happy holidays,
allan
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Technical Projects Specialist
Academic Computing
Stanford University
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RE: [Digital BW] tremendous Dmax gain with UT2 CFS

2004-12-22 by Paul Roark

Allan,

Sound like an incorrect ink.  I'll send the test purge pattern files off
list.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Chen [mailto:kaiyen@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:50 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] tremendous Dmax gain with UT2 CFS


All,
	Something weird just happened to me.  I just upgraded from using UT2

catridges in my 1280 to the CFS, both with Eboni inks.  Before, with the 
carts, I found that my prints came out a bit lower in contrast than my 
screen.  No big deal - I just went a little farther with the curves than 
I normally would.  However, now the blacks (in particular) are WAAAAY 
darker than they were before.  I've completely lost shadow detail in a 
number of instances.
	The bottle is clearly labeled Eboni, and I've checked that the CFS
is 
installed correctly (right tubes to the right carts, etc).  Any idea if 
there is a formulation difference that could account for this?  Could 
the bottle have settled in some way that would cause this.  It's really 
dramatic.

thanks and happy holidays,
allan
-- 
Technical Projects Specialist
Academic Computing
Stanford University
v - (650) 996-0546
f - (650) 725-4685



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printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and
Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
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BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
 
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