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Making my own curves in QTR

Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-02 by jwinberg1

Hi Gang:

Having finally gotten QTR basically functioning well with my 2200
(thanks to Roy and Stephen), I would now like to play with generating
my own curves.  I tried looking up descriptions of this process on
both of the above gentlemen's websites, but could not locate such a
description.  I may well have overlooked it.

Would some kind soul point me in the right direction?

Am I also correct in assuming that if I decided to utilize a third
party inkset (MIS UC perhaps), then I would need such custom curves to
achieve results tweaked to my image preferences.

Thanks much in advance for any references.......... Jack Winberg

Re: Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-02 by Fred Drury

Jack ...

I have posted a couple of similar questions recently and have not received 
any response.  Not sure if my posts are going out properly ... could you 
please give me a reply so as to confirm!

I too would like to do some of my own curves, most especially for semigloss 
and glossy papers, but have no idea where to start!

Regards,

Fred Drury
Markland Imaging
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------Original Message-----
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:57:07 -0000
   From: "jwinberg1" <jack.winberg@...>
Subject: Making my own curves in QTR


Hi Gang:

Having finally gotten QTR basically functioning well with my 2200
(thanks to Roy and Stephen), I would now like to play with generating
my own curves.  I tried looking up descriptions of this process on
both of the above gentlemen's websites, but could not locate such a
description.  I may well have overlooked it.

Would some kind soul point me in the right direction?

Am I also correct in assuming that if I decided to utilize a third
party inkset (MIS UC perhaps), then I would need such custom curves to
achieve results tweaked to my image preferences.

Thanks much in advance for any references.......... Jack Winberg

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-03 by James Haney

The QTR installer should have installed several text files.

Specifically you are looking for "GettingStarted.rtf" and 
"Calibration.rtfd"

Read both of these files AT LEAST THREE TIMES. Trust me on this one!

If you proceed with a half clear notion of how to do this you will 
spend hours of frustration to no good end.

Read the documents while you have a sample curve file open.

Compare the provided curve files to each other. They are often very 
different based upon a number of variables. You will eventually begin 
to get the concept.

So read the files carefully then come back here and ask questions to 
fill in the blanks. There will definitely be a few questions. The key 
barrier to making this a quick and simple process is that everyone is 
using different inks and papers and is trying to achieve different 
results.

It is doable, and works great when you are done, but it makes you feel 
like you are back in high school science class.

Good luck.

James Haney
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On Jan 2, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Fred Drury wrote:

>
> Jack ...
>
> I have posted a couple of similar questions recently and have not 
> received
> any response.  Not sure if my posts are going out properly ... could 
> you
> please give me a reply so as to confirm!
>
> I too would like to do some of my own curves, most especially for 
> semigloss
> and glossy papers, but have no idea where to start!
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Drury
> Markland Imaging
>
> ------Original Message-----
> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:57:07 -0000
>    From: "jwinberg1" <jack.winberg@...>
> Subject: Making my own curves in QTR
>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Having finally gotten QTR basically functioning well with my 2200
> (thanks to Roy and Stephen), I would now like to play with generating
> my own curves.  I tried looking up descriptions of this process on
> both of the above gentlemen's websites, but could not locate such a
> description.  I may well have overlooked it.
>
> Would some kind soul point me in the right direction?
>
> Am I also correct in assuming that if I decided to utilize a third
> party inkset (MIS UC perhaps), then I would need such custom curves to
> achieve results tweaked to my image preferences.
>
> Thanks much in advance for any references.......... Jack Winberg
>
>
>
>
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-03 by Stephen Billard

This is probably true for the MAC, but the questioner is presumably using a
PC (otherwise there would be no need for thanking me). The Curves creation
for the PC is still in development. Contact Daniel Staver
(daniel@...) to participate in the testing.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Haney [mailto:jhaney@...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:39 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR
> 
> 
> 
> The QTR installer should have installed several text files.
> 
> Specifically you are looking for "GettingStarted.rtf" and 
> "Calibration.rtfd"
> 
> Read both of these files AT LEAST THREE TIMES. Trust me on this one!
> 
> If you proceed with a half clear notion of how to do this you will 
> spend hours of frustration to no good end.
> 
> Read the documents while you have a sample curve file open.
> 
> Compare the provided curve files to each other. They are often very 
> different based upon a number of variables. You will eventually begin 
> to get the concept.
> 
> So read the files carefully then come back here and ask questions to 
> fill in the blanks. There will definitely be a few questions. The key 
> barrier to making this a quick and simple process is that everyone is 
> using different inks and papers and is trying to achieve different 
> results.
> 
> It is doable, and works great when you are done, but it makes 
> you feel 
> like you are back in high school science class.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> James Haney
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 2, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Fred Drury wrote:
> 
> >
> > Jack ...
> >
> > I have posted a couple of similar questions recently and have not
> > received
> > any response.  Not sure if my posts are going out properly 
> ... could 
> > you
> > please give me a reply so as to confirm!
> >
> > I too would like to do some of my own curves, most especially for
> > semigloss
> > and glossy papers, but have no idea where to start!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Fred Drury
> > Markland Imaging
> >
> > ------Original Message-----
> > Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:57:07 -0000
> >    From: "jwinberg1" <jack.winberg@...>
> > Subject: Making my own curves in QTR
> >
> >
> > Hi Gang:
> >
> > Having finally gotten QTR basically functioning well with my 2200 
> > (thanks to Roy and Stephen), I would now like to play with 
> generating 
> > my own curves.  I tried looking up descriptions of this process on 
> > both of the above gentlemen's websites, but could not locate such a 
> > description.  I may well have overlooked it.
> >
> > Would some kind soul point me in the right direction?
> >
> > Am I also correct in assuming that if I decided to utilize a third 
> > party inkset (MIS UC perhaps), then I would need such 
> custom curves to 
> > achieve results tweaked to my image preferences.
> >
> > Thanks much in advance for any references.......... Jack Winberg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
> > resources as they are often being updated.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
> > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish
> > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
> > this same page.
> >
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
> messages to
> > keep them short.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or 
> > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be 
> removed from 
> > the membership without notice.
> > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital 
> > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
> > removed from the membership.
> > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group 
> rules and 
> > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group 
> > Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and 
> Guidelines" in the 
> > Files section:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> >
> > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT 
> THE "OWNER" 
> > AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE 
> > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, 
> > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, 
> > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER 
> INTANGIBLE 
> > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL 
> BW, THE PRINT 
> > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), 
> > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, 
> > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF 
> > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF 
> ANY THIRD 
> > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
> > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> resources as they are often being updated.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or 
> you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership 
> preferences by visiting this same page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
> messages to keep them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
> or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be 
> removed from the membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of 
> digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic 
> posts may be removed from the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group 
> rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and 
> decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group 
> Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> 
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL 
> BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE 
> THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
> YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, 
> INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY 
> DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF 
> PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN 
> IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH 
> DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE 
> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED 
> ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) 
> STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, 
> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO 
> THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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Re: Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-03 by Fred Drury

James Haney
Stephen Billard

Thanks very much for your response to our questions.  Yes, we are both 
working in a PC environment.  I did see an earlier message I believe from 
Daniel Staver a week or so ago but was so 'green' to this site that I did 
not realize its significance.  I will follow up as you suggest.

My compliments to everyone who has had a hand in the evolution of QTR and 
its GUI.  I am getting what I believer are excellent results, while at the 
same time recognize that I'm still far down the learning curve.

Best wishes to all for the New Year,

Fred Drury
Markland Imaging.

-----Original Message------
From: "Stephen Billard" <stephen@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Making my own curves in QTR

This is probably true for the MAC, but the questioner is presumably using a
PC (otherwise there would be no need for thanking me). The Curves creation
for the PC is still in development. Contact Daniel Staver
(daniel@...) to participate in the testing.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Haney [mailto:jhaney@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:39 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR
>
>
>
> The QTR installer should have installed several text files.
>
> Specifically you are looking for "GettingStarted.rtf" and
> "Calibration.rtfd"
>
> Read both of these files AT LEAST THREE TIMES. Trust me on this one!
>
> If you proceed with a half clear notion of how to do this you will
> spend hours of frustration to no good end.
>
> Read the documents while you have a sample curve file open.
>
> Compare the provided curve files to each other. They are often very
> different based upon a number of variables. You will eventually begin
> to get the concept.
>
> So read the files carefully then come back here and ask questions to
> fill in the blanks. There will definitely be a few questions. The key
> barrier to making this a quick and simple process is that everyone is
> using different inks and papers and is trying to achieve different
> results.
>
> It is doable, and works great when you are done, but it makes
> you feel
> like you are back in high school science class.
>
> Good luck.
>
> James Haney
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Fred Drury wrote:
>
> >
> > Jack ...
> >
> > I have posted a couple of similar questions recently and have not
> > received
> > any response.  Not sure if my posts are going out properly
> ... could
> > you
> > please give me a reply so as to confirm!
> >
> > I too would like to do some of my own curves, most especially for
> > semigloss
> > and glossy papers, but have no idea where to start!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Fred Drury
> > Markland Imaging
> >
> > ------Original Message-----
> > Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:57:07 -0000
> >    From: "jwinberg1" <jack.winberg@...>
> > Subject: Making my own curves in QTR
> >
> >
> > Hi Gang:
> >
> > Having finally gotten QTR basically functioning well with my 2200
> > (thanks to Roy and Stephen), I would now like to play with
> generating
> > my own curves.  I tried looking up descriptions of this process on
> > both of the above gentlemen's websites, but could not locate such a
> > description.  I may well have overlooked it.
> >
> > Would some kind soul point me in the right direction?
> >
> > Am I also correct in assuming that if I decided to utilize a third
> > party inkset (MIS UC perhaps), then I would need such
> custom curves to
> > achieve results tweaked to my image preferences.
> >
> > Thanks much in advance for any references.......... Jack Winberg

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-04 by Peter Palmieri

I looked all over for "Getting Started.rtf" and "Calibration.rtf" but couldn't find either. I believe that the installation was completed as prints have been made with QTRgui. It would be appreciated if you would direct me to the location of these folders.

Peter Palmieri
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Haney 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR
  The QTR installer should have installed several text files.

  Specifically you are looking for "GettingStarted.rtf" and 
  "Calibration.rtfd"

  Read both of these files AT LEAST THREE TIMES. Trust me on this one!



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Digital BW] Re: Making my own curves in QTR

2005-01-04 by koloshor

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Palmieri" <pcpalmieri@c...> wrote:
> I looked all over for "Getting Started.rtf" and "Calibration.rtf" but couldn't find either. I believe that the installation was completed as prints have been made with QTRgui. It would be appreciated if you would direct me to the location of these folders.

They aren't installed by QTR or QTRgui. You need the calibration package, QuadProfile. That can't be installed in the QuadToneRIP directory structure, for various really weird reasons...

Need a little help

2005-01-04 by schrochem

Hello, I am new around here and was hoping for a little help. I have 
already picked up a few tidbits of helpful information but need a 
little extra. I just got a 2200 and downloaded the latest QTR and I 
run on Windows XP.
1)Are these files
> 
> Specifically you are looking for "GettingStarted.rtf" and 
> "Calibration.rtfd"
> 
 on the MACs only? I couldn't find them.

2)I read that the image has to be on the same drive letter as the 
software, correct?
3)I have a file that was a worked up scan 3600ppi and saved in 
photoshop as a 8bit DUOTONE psd file.  I understand QTR requires an 
8bit greyscale tiff. How do I convert the duotone without losing the 
the toning?
4)For the 2200 what ppi should I resize the image for printing?
5)last one :) I am just trying to print on enhanced matte at this 
point, any recommendations on a nice place to start with the 
settings in QTR?
Thanks for any and all help
scott

RE: [Digital BW] Need a little help

2005-01-04 by Stephen Billard

This is no longer true with the current version of QTR--version 2.1.d
(QTRgui version 2.1.10)

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: schrochem [mailto:schrochem@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:05 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Need a little help
> 
> 
> 
> 2)I read that the image has to be on the same drive letter as the 
> software, correct?
>

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