Digital BW, The Print

Hi Steve,

I've never used Fred's B&W Pro, but I own and have used Power Retouche's B&W Studio. I've also demoed other tools from vendors such as Imaging Factory. IMO, PR B&W Studio does as good a job as any of 'em, but, quite honestly, I think you'll find you can do a better job on your own in PS once you know a little about what you're doing.

So far, the best approach I've found for B&W conversions you can download for free from Adobe's website. Do a search for John Paul Caponigro and you should find the article and corresponding downloadable action. The are other derivatives of this same technique on sites such as The Light's Right, etc.

Good luck,
Alan Huntley

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> From: "steveabrink" <steveabrink@...>
> Date: 2005/01/17 Mon PM 02:04:22 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] B&W software  apps ...
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried the Fred Miranda B&W Pro and/or the Power Retouche 
> B&W s/w...? I think I read somewhere with the FM when you apply 
> filters it causes image degradation and not sure if it works in 16 
> bit...? 
> 
> Also, I have a few B&W prints that I would like to add a film frame 
> edge effect that emulates what can be done in a darkroom... The only 
> package I know of is Extensis Photo Frame and was wondering if anyone 
> has tried it or know of other apps?  Most of the effects look 
> cheeseball, and I guess I could make my own ... 
> 
> Thanks in advance
> SteveB 
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I downloaded John Paul Caponigro's B&W action from the Adobe Web site,
but had problems running it. John Paul sent me an adjusted action, and
it works just fine. If you download the action from Adobe and it
doesn't run properly, let me know and I'll send you the action which
John Paul sent me (I'll try to get his ok to send it).
Manny Sawit

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I've never used Fred's B&W Pro, but I own and have used Power
Retouche's B&W Studio. I've also demoed other tools from vendors such
as Imaging Factory. IMO, PR B&W Studio does as good a job as any of
'em, but, quite honestly, I think you'll find you can do a better job
on your own in PS once you know a little about what you're doing.
> 
> So far, the best approach I've found for B&W conversions you can
download for free from Adobe's website. Do a search for John Paul
Caponigro and you should find the article and corresponding
downloadable action. The are other derivatives of this same technique
on sites such as The Light's Right, etc.
> 
> Good luck,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "steveabrink" <steveabrink@y...>
> > Date: 2005/01/17 Mon PM 02:04:22 EST
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] B&W software  apps ...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone tried the Fred Miranda B&W Pro and/or the Power Retouche 
> > B&W s/w...? I think I read somewhere with the FM when you apply 
> > filters it causes image degradation and not sure if it works in 16 
> > bit...? 
> > 
> > Also, I have a few B&W prints that I would like to add a film frame 
> > edge effect that emulates what can be done in a darkroom... The only 
> > package I know of is Extensis Photo Frame and was wondering if anyone 
> > has tried it or know of other apps?  Most of the effects look 
> > cheeseball, and I guess I could make my own ... 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > SteveB 
> > 
> > 
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here is another tool, for PS that i use and i have found it the best
http://silveroxide.com/ they also have demo that u can download and
play with, the results are just great


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:16:40 -0000, manny_sawit <manny_sawit@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I downloaded John Paul Caponigro's B&W action from the Adobe Web site,
> but had problems running it. John Paul sent me an adjusted action, and
> it works just fine. If you download the action from Adobe and it
> doesn't run properly, let me know and I'll send you the action which
> John Paul sent me (I'll try to get his ok to send it).
> Manny Sawit
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I've never used Fred's B&W Pro, but I own and have used Power
> Retouche's B&W Studio. I've also demoed other tools from vendors such
> as Imaging Factory. IMO, PR B&W Studio does as good a job as any of
> 'em, but, quite honestly, I think you'll find you can do a better job
> on your own in PS once you know a little about what you're doing.
> >
> > So far, the best approach I've found for B&W conversions you can
> download for free from Adobe's website. Do a search for John Paul
> Caponigro and you should find the article and corresponding
> downloadable action. The are other derivatives of this same technique
> on sites such as The Light's Right, etc.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Alan Huntley
> >
> > > 
> > > From: "steveabrink" <steveabrink@y...>
> > > Date: 2005/01/17 Mon PM 02:04:22 EST
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] B&W software  apps ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried the Fred Miranda B&W Pro and/or the Power Retouche
> > > B&W s/w...? I think I read somewhere with the FM when you apply
> > > filters it causes image degradation and not sure if it works in 16
> > > bit...?
> > >
> > > Also, I have a few B&W prints that I would like to add a film frame
> > > edge effect that emulates what can be done in a darkroom... The only
> > > package I know of is Extensis Photo Frame and was wondering if anyone
> > > has tried it or know of other apps?  Most of the effects look
> > > cheeseball, and I guess I could make my own ...
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > SteveB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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  regards, mehrdad

Hi Jose:

I was looking at the 'toning' set which looks very cool... but the fine 
print states that all the tools "Please note that PhotoKit is optimized for 
images that are between 8-18mbs (useful on larger sizes as well) and 
therefore some effects do not translate well to small web images"

I'm more concerned with how they react on larger images in the 50+ mb 
range. Do you regularly use the bw conversion tools on larget files?

Regards,
Denton



At 05:04 PM 1/18/2005 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>For B+W conversion, as well as many other things, I use Pixel Genius
>"Photokit" 
><http://www.pixelgenius.com/photokit/index.html>http://www.pixelgenius.com/photokit/index.html
>
>It works in 16 bit and it creates a new layer when applying effects, thus
>not degrading the image. I also use their sharpener for capture and output.
>
>It's very good, in my opinion.
>

Denton,

All my workflow is in 16 bits (up to printing). My average image has many
layers (some of them created by PhotoKit) and ends up between 500 and 800
MB...

It works just fine.
José

-----Original Message-----
From: Denton Taylor [mailto:denton@...] 
Sent: mardi, 18. janvier 2005 17:21
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] B&W software apps ...



Hi Jose:

I was looking at the 'toning' set which looks very cool... but the fine 
print states that all the tools "Please note that PhotoKit is optimized for 
images that are between 8-18mbs (useful on larger sizes as well) and 
therefore some effects do not translate well to small web images"

I'm more concerned with how they react on larger images in the 50+ mb 
range. Do you regularly use the bw conversion tools on larget files?

Regards,
Denton



At 05:04 PM 1/18/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>For B+W conversion, as well as many other things, I use Pixel Genius
>"Photokit" 
><http://www.pixelgenius.com/photokit/index.html>http://www.pixelgenius.com/
photokit/index.html
>
>It works in 16 bit and it creates a new layer when applying effects, thus
>not degrading the image. I also use their sharpener for capture and output.
>
>It's very good, in my opinion.
>







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