Digital BW, The Print

Hey all,

ConeTech is sending me a new 1160 CIS cartridge to replace the one I have 
now, which has come down with DDS. I have ordered the FS MIS inks, as I 
don't want to run the risk of getting DDS again. I love the ease of use of 
the Cone software and I don't want to be messing with the VM inks and 
curves right now, so I don't regret getting the Piezo system, but I wish I 
had know about the FS inks earlier. All four 4 oz. bottles of the Cone inks 
are above half full, probably closer to three quarters. I'd rather not just 
ditch them. What are your thoughts on mixing them with the MIS inks, in the 
hope that diluting them will stave off the return of DDS? Is anyone who 
uses the Cone ink interested in buying them at a reduced rate? I bought the 
system in the summer.

Cyan lot # B14191b
Magenta lot # B14248a
Yellow lot # B14189b
Black lot # B14193b

I suppose I could just stick them on the shelf until the cause of the 
problem comes to light. Am I correct than no one using the FS inks has 
reported DDS so far? How long have they been out?

Thanks,
Mark

Mark,

DDS? I assume major clogging and green problems?

I wouldn't mix the two inks. You would be introducing a real unknown 
into the whole system and things can get complicated enough as it is. 
Why don't you hang onto the Piezo inks in case you don't like the MIS 
FS?

The FS has been out a few months. I have heard of clogging with the 
original MIS quads in their early versions. I have not heard much in 
the way of clogs with the current MIS inksets. I have had nozzle 
clogs with the VM about 3 or 4 time since I started with them in 
July. The worst took 3 nozzle cleaning cycles and the others cleared 
with one. No overnight waits. Even when starting up with the CIS it 
immediately ran as soon as I put the cartridges in.

The FS is not an exact match to the Piezo inks so an image you have 
adjusted to print well with Piezo inks may require some adjustment. 
The tone is also a bit different.

Martin Wesley


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Mark Carpenter <yahoo@b...> 
wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> ConeTech is sending me a new 1160 CIS cartridge to replace the one 
I have 
> now, which has come down with DDS. I have ordered the FS MIS inks, 
as I 
> don't want to run the risk of getting DDS again. I love the ease of 
use of 
> the Cone software and I don't want to be messing with the VM inks 
and 
> curves right now, so I don't regret getting the Piezo system, but I 
wish I 
> had know about the FS inks earlier. All four 4 oz. bottles of the 
Cone inks 
> are above half full, probably closer to three quarters. I'd rather 
not just 
> ditch them. What are your thoughts on mixing them with the MIS 
inks, in the 
> hope that diluting them will stave off the return of DDS? Is anyone 
who 
> uses the Cone ink interested in buying them at a reduced rate? I 
bought the 
> system in the summer.
> 
> Cyan lot # B14191b
> Magenta lot # B14248a
> Yellow lot # B14189b
> Black lot # B14193b
> 
> I suppose I could just stick them on the shelf until the cause of 
the 
> problem comes to light. Am I correct than no one using the FS inks 
has 

> reported DDS so far? How long have they been out?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark

Mark,

I would not mix inks.

Why introduce an unknown factor into an already difficult situation. 
Save the Piezo inks as suggested.  You will find that with the FS 
inks and Piezo driver the curve will be more linear than the 
modified "s" shaped curve generated with Piezo inks.  I don't know if 
this is good or bad, it is only different.

In tests we have found that Piezo compresses the shadows to give the 
impression of a deeper black. With the MIS FS you may have to work a 
bit with the shadow end to get a similar look.

I received the New PiezoBW24 RIP from Cone and they have now included 
separate profiles for H. Photo Rag 160/208, German Etching, Torchon, 
William Turner, Albrect Durer, Crane Museo, Legion Photo Matte, and a 
number of others. I was told by the developer of the Piezo software 
that they began profiling as many papers as they could.

Mike

Mike Kravit wrote:

>I would not mix inks.

That seems to be the consensus, and what I figured. Oh well. On the shelf 
they go.

>You will find that with the FS
>inks and Piezo driver the curve will be more linear than the
>modified "s" shaped curve generated with Piezo inks.  I don't know if
>this is good or bad, it is only different.

That may actually be good for me. My prints don't exactly match my screen 
with the Cone ink, so, if I'm lucky, the FS might actually be closer. Well, 
the inks are cheap enough in comparison that it is worth a set to test. I 
haven't done enough with the Cone ink to have gotten attached to a 
particular aspect, so my inexperienced eye may not notice much of a difference.

Thanks to everyone that responded.
Mark

Mark -

I agree with all the other advice you saw here, but would ad... Once 
you try the MIS inks, if you like them, toss the Cone ones. The 
longer they sit, the more likely you will be to have a problem (this 
would be true of any inks). Many have said the life should be 
somewhere between 6 months and a yearish. I've used them longer (I 
bought 16 oz bottles) but the risk you also run is that some improved 
version comes along and you want to change or try that. 

Just another thought.

I think you will like the FS...BTW, don't be afraid to crank up the 
contrast if you want deeper blacks...try a few different 
papers...everyone likes EEM, but also try Eclipse Satine soft white 
(not brite white), and H photo rag...everyone has favorites, but 
these are 3 you can start with as a baseline that most agree are 
outstanding.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Carpenter 
<yahoo@b...> wrote:
> Mike Kravit wrote:
> 
> >I would not mix inks.
> 
> That seems to be the consensus, and what I figured. Oh well. On the 
shelf 
> they go.
> 
> >You will find that with the FS
> >inks and Piezo driver the curve will be more linear than the
> >modified "s" shaped curve generated with Piezo inks.  I don't know 
if
> >this is good or bad, it is only different.
> 
> That may actually be good for me. My prints don't exactly match my 
screen 
> with the Cone ink, so, if I'm lucky, the FS might actually be 
closer. Well, 
> the inks are cheap enough in comparison that it is worth a set to 
test. I 
> haven't done enough with the Cone ink to have gotten attached to a 
> particular aspect, so my inexperienced eye may not notice much of a 
difference.

> 
> Thanks to everyone that responded.
> Mark