Digital BW, The Print

Hi Mat

Sorry I can't comment on QTR but if you want 
a "canned" solution for B&W within Photoshop CS,
give this link a try :

http://powerretouche.com/index.htm

I've had it for about a year, I use the 8 bit version
which was more affordable. Most of the utilities
can be created via macros if you are a PS power
user, which I'm not. It saves me a lot of time and
allows using color film, so it's a bit more versatile.
The B&W film profiles are useful, at least as a starting
point, it also allows for some very basic "zone system"
approach, though nothing close to the Adams principles.
I find it well worth the money, the sharpening tool also 
(IMHO) is much better than the standard PS method
(without any refinements).

Regards

Andrei

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mathewchristopher 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:21 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] 2880 dpi with QTR



  I tried to search the archive and came up with no hits on this 
  subject.  The troubleshooting section of QTR Help advises that there 
  have been problems reported with 2880 dpi printing.  Is there a work-
  around?

  Off-subject - but if anyone knows any good resources to learn a 
  black and white process flow for CS I would be appreciative.  I've 
  learned a lot in the last couple weeks but I struggle with how much 
  I can(or should) do in 16 bit and then what to do in 8-bit.

  Having lots of fun so thanks for all your messages.

  Mat





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Workflow for bw in cs is as follows.

Scan in true RGB 16bit or 12bit (not 8bit).  Run all your adjustement  
layers in 16bit.  Flatten after the first day, flatten your 16bit image  
and save a copy as "image_16bitflat_adjusted.tif".  Then go back in  
your history to unflattened 16bit and convert to 8bit.  Duplicated your  
background layer (base scan) and trash the "locked" layer. Then trash  
your duplicated layer. Your are left with only adjustment layers. Save  
this as "image_8bitlayers.tif" NOTE: if you have gradient masks in your  
adjust layers file, save it as 16bit and not 8bit.  Then go back in  
history to your 16bit layers state (with the base image). Delete all  
adjustment layers. Save this as "image_16bitflat_base.tif

When you come back to the image the next day, take a look at your  
16bitflat_udjusted file. If you like it, start from there. If you  
don't, start from the 16bitflat_base file and drag your 8bit adjustment  
layers over it.

This is all assuming you are working with base-scan sizes over 500  
megabytes and will be going over the 2gig load limit for an image. The  
next cs will have simple 32bit support and full 16bit support and will  
come out after OS Tiger comes out (Tiger has 64bit support for the  
G5s). It will probably have 4 times the load limit for an image as  
well.

take care Walker


On Mar 20, 2005, at 06:49 PM, <aderca@...> wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
>  Sorry I can't comment on QTR but if you want
>  a "canned" solution for B&W within Photoshop CS,
>  give this link a try :
>
> http://powerretouche.com/index.htm
>
>  I've had it for about a year, I use the 8 bit version
>  which was more affordable. Most of the utilities
>  can be created via macros if you are a PS power
>  user, which I'm not. It saves me a lot of time and
>  allows using color film, so it's a bit more versatile.
>  The B&W film profiles are useful, at least as a starting
>  point, it also allows for some very basic "zone system"
>  approach, though nothing close to the Adams principles.
>  I find it well worth the money, the sharpening tool also
>  (IMHO) is much better than the standard PS method
>  (without any refinements).
>
>  Regards
>
>  Andrei
>  � ----- Original Message -----
>  � From: mathewchristopher
>  � To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  � Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:21 PM
>  � Subject: [Digital BW] 2880 dpi with QTR
>
>
>
>  � I tried to search the archive and came up with no hits on this
>  � subject.� The troubleshooting section of QTR Help advises that there
>  � have been problems reported with 2880 dpi printing.� Is there a  
> work-
>  � around?
>
>  � Off-subject - but if anyone knows any good resources to learn a
>  � black and white process flow for CS I would be appreciative.� I've
>  � learned a lot in the last couple weeks but I struggle with how much
>  � I can(or should) do in 16 bit and then what to do in 8-bit.
>
>  � Having lots of fun so thanks for all your messages.
>
>  � Mat
>
>
>
>
>
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> resources as they are often being updated.
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