Digital BW, The Print

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalB&WPrint 
  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:53 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: FS


  Steve <spdolha@...> wrote:

  >...
  >My feeling is that the Piezo software could become an industry
  >standard ...
  >other ink and paper vendors ...
  >innovate and in fact expand on the sales of the Piezo software.
  >This also lets the market determine which inksets and papers rise to
  >the top - and if Piezo gives the best results, the market is quite
  >capable of determining that.  There are many historical examples of
  >restricted market share resulting from not opening up to standards.

  >I think opening up the Piezo software would actually increase sales
  >and expand the market for Cone.

  Steve, you're sounding like a fellow economist or antitrust attorney.  You
  took the words right out of my mouth.

  In fact, it is happening with or without Cone Edition's participation.  The
  FS is, as a practical matter, a reverse-engineered inkset.

  When I designed the variable-tone inksets I started with Piezo ink because
  that is what I used.  However, when doing the MIS version my experiments
  with various densities led me so close to the Piezo densities that I did
  take into consideration making inksets that could easily serve both
  workflows.

  The sepia-to-neutral variable-tone inkset that I'm working on is intended to
  give rise also to a neutral FS (Cone clone) type ink.  The cyan-position
  inks are the same.  Once I get the cyan to where I want it, it's easy to
  dilute for the magenta and yellow positions to make a Piezo-compatible
  inkset.

  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com



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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Morse 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: FS


  Mike. I would say that this list is all about alternatives to Piezo, and
  Piezo, and  alternatives to MIS and curves, and anything else that (might)
  result is great B&W prints!

  Keep up the reports from (your) front line.

  Bill

  on 12/2/01 9:40 AM, Michael J. Kravit wrote:

  Steve,

  I have not had time to play with the evaluation copy yet, but it
  appears that a grayscale image does not get converted to RGB.

  As this is the Digital B/W Print Group, I understood that we are here
  to discuss the various inksets, printers, and software available.
  Sometimes I get the impression from others that discussing
  alternatives to Piezo is a no no. I appreciate your question, and
  hope that others will realize that we are on the cutting edge of
  technology. What we do here and now will affect photography for years
  and decades to come.

  I will let you know how this product plays out.

  MIke




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From: <spdolha@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>

> I think opening up the Piezo software would actually increase sales
> and expand the market for Cone.

That I very much doubt. Opening up a propriortorial anything often causes
the originator the most serious problems because "A.N Other" gets hold of
the primary facility and attempts to "improve" it in some way or other.

Then the end user will blame any problems encountered as the fault of the
Originator rather than the 3rd party fiddler and probably attempt to get the
originator to put right that which he did not put wrong.

The real advantage in "opening up" is to the 3rd party supplier who can
attempt to make a living by modifying a concept in such a way as to
encourage the development of a multi sector market.

It can also be beneficial where price is concerned, to the end user, because
the "little man" offering a "special" will probably accept a lower margin on
sales simply in order to generate sales.

Amen say's I