Digital BW, The Print

I'm using Photo Smooth Cotton, Soft Texture and Cold Press Art.  Does 
anyone have a good way of figuring out the printable side on these 
papers, other than the "lick your fingers and touch the paper" test?  
(which is what I've been doing and getting little smudges on the 
paper).  For example, I know that all Epson papers are packaged with 
the printable side facing up when you open the package from the back 
(in other words, the printable side is the side that faces the back of 
the package).  Anyone know how Innova papers are packaged with regard 
to the printable side?

(I know that, in theory, the printable side of any paper is the whiter 
side, but that doesn't help me because (a) some of these papers are 
warm and therefore the non-printable side and the printable side are 
equally "white" and (b) under tungsten light, it's pretty hard to tell 
which side is whiter anyway).

hold the paper flat and look across the surface as if it were a 
landscape with a light source in the background. One side will look 
like it has a skim of chalk over it and will have slight cellulose 
"clumping" of emulsion and the other side will reflect more glare and 
will have a more textured look. The chalky side is the side with the 
coating.  The Fibra paper is troublesome.


take care, walker


On Apr 20, 2005, at 12:41 PM, chipcarterdc wrote:

>
>  I'm using Photo Smooth Cotton, Soft Texture and Cold Press Art.� Does
>  anyone have a good way of figuring out the printable side on these
>  papers, other than the "lick your fingers and touch the paper" test?�
>  (which is what I've been doing and getting little smudges on the
>  paper).� For example, I know that all Epson papers are packaged with
>  the printable side facing up when you open the package from the back
>  (in other words, the printable side is the side that faces the back of
>  the package).� Anyone know how Innova papers are packaged with regard
>  to the printable side?
>
>  (I know that, in theory, the printable side of any paper is the whiter
>  side, but that doesn't help me because (a) some of these papers are
>  warm and therefore the non-printable side and the printable side are
>  equally "white" and (b) under tungsten light, it's pretty hard to tell
>  which side is whiter anyway).
>
>
>
>
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Chip,

If you are using a roll its easy because the coated side is to the outside of he 
curl. If you are using sheets they are all packaged in the same order, so just 
test the one on top and then mark all the rest. This is what I do when I cut 
sheets down to use as tests. I actually put a pencil abreviation like SC or 
ST,etc, on the back of each sheet. This paper IS difficult to tell!

Apart from that I always do the moistening of the fingers on a tiny corner and 
the one that sticks is the coated side. Some people actually take a razor blade 
and scratch the surface to see which side has the coating. The thing is with 
these Innova papers the coating is so good that it is more difficult to scratch 
off.

John

Thanks!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <
lists@g...> wrote:
> hold the paper flat and look across the surface as if it were a 
> landscape with a light source in the background. One side will look 
> like it has a skim of chalk over it and will have slight cellulose 
> "clumping" of emulsion and the other side will reflect more glare and 
> will have a more textured look. The chalky side is the side with the 
> coating.  The Fibra paper is troublesome.
> 
> 
> take care, walker
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2005, at 12:41 PM, chipcarterdc wrote:
> 
> >
> >  I'm using Photo Smooth Cotton, Soft Texture and Cold Press Art.  Does
> >  anyone have a good way of figuring out the printable side on these
> >  papers, other than the "lick your fingers and touch the paper" test? 
> >  (which is what I've been doing and getting little smudges on the
> >  paper).  For example, I know that all Epson papers are packaged with
> >  the printable side facing up when you open the package from the back
> >  (in other words, the printable side is the side that faces the back of
> >  the package).  Anyone know how Innova papers are packaged with 
regard
> >  to the printable side?
> >
> >  (I know that, in theory, the printable side of any paper is the whiter
> >  side, but that doesn't help me because (a) some of these papers are
> >  warm and therefore the non-printable side and the printable side are
> >  equally "white" and (b) under tungsten light, it's pretty hard to tell
> >  which side is whiter anyway).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> > resources as they are often being updated.
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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LIMITED TO, 
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INTANGIBLE 
> > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL 
BW, THE PRINT 
> > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH 
DAMAGES), 
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DIGITAL BW, 
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Thanks.  I'm fine with rolls.  With sheets, I've considered that once I know the 
orientation of the coated side of the top sheet, I should know that the rest are 
oriented the same way, but is that a safe assumption?  (My concern is that, I 
assume, Innova papers are produced and packaged in relatively small 
quantities compared to the giants like Epson and I therefore don't know for 
sure if they're packaged by machine (in which case they'd all be packaged the 
same direction) or by hand (in which case they may not be)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <
deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> 
> Chip,
> 
> If you are using a roll its easy because the coated side is to the outside of he 
> curl. If you are using sheets they are all packaged in the same order, so just 
> test the one on top and then mark all the rest. This is what I do when I cut 
> sheets down to use as tests. I actually put a pencil abreviation like SC or 
> ST,etc, on the back of each sheet. This paper IS difficult to tell!
> 
> Apart from that I always do the moistening of the fingers on a tiny corner and 
> the one that sticks is the coated side. Some people actually take a razor 
blade 

> and scratch the surface to see which side has the coating. The thing is with 
> these Innova papers the coating is so good that it is more difficult to scratch 
> off.
> 
> John