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2005-05-10 by SteveZ
What are my options for printing an image with spot colour using an Epson 2200? Obviously, I can't use the QTR,and the metamerism caused by using UC inks and the Epson driver is just horrendous. What do you suggest?
2005-05-11 by digikdm
The only way around your problem I know of is to buy a third party RIP such as Imageprint which is not cheap but gives a beautiful B&W( with minimal metamerism) and color print. This is what I use personally, and I have been pleased with the results. One recommendation I would make is that if you saturate your colors, use a mask to prevent the increased saturation from affecting the B&W portion of your image. Otherwise, increasing saturation will result in unwanted tints in the B&W areas. cheers! Kevin Monroe www.kevinmonroephotography.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@y...> wrote: > What are my options for printing an image with spot colour using an > Epson 2200? Obviously, I can't use the QTR,and the metamerism caused
> by using UC inks and the Epson driver is just horrendous. > > What do you suggest?
2005-05-11 by SteveZ
Kevin, I kind of figured that was my only option. I was kind of hoping....wishing for a less expensive solution. Thanks for the tip on masking out the saturation. I sure wish the Epson driver/UC inks did a better job. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm" <monroekd@h...> wrote: > The only way around your problem I know of is to buy a third party > RIP > such as Imageprint which is not cheap but gives a beautiful B&W( with > minimal metamerism) and color print. This is what I use personally, > and > I have been pleased with the results. One recommendation I would make > is that if you saturate your colors, use a mask to prevent the > increased saturation from affecting the B&W portion of your image. > Otherwise, increasing saturation will result in unwanted tints in the > B&W areas. > cheers! > Kevin Monroe > www.kevinmonroephotography.com > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" > <blizzie12@y...> wrote: > > What are my options for printing an image with spot colour using an
> > Epson 2200? Obviously, I can't use the QTR,and the metamerism > caused > > by using UC inks and the Epson driver is just horrendous. > > > > What do you suggest?
2005-05-11 by andrew
As I mentioned in another post, I had a custom profile made with the driver set to PhotoRealistic mode instead of No Colour Management. While this apparently restricts the gamut, it also seems to result in curves with minimal crossover. The Archival Matte profile I have produces quite neutral grayscale, and would therefore allow you to do what you want. OTOH, Semi Gloss still suffers problems. But if you're happy to use Matte or Photo Rag, it might do the trick. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@y...> wrote:
> Kevin, I kind of figured that was my only option. I was kind of > hoping....wishing for a less expensive solution. Thanks for the tip > on masking out the saturation. I sure wish the Epson driver/UC inks > did a better job. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm" > <monroekd@h...> wrote: > > The only way around your problem I know of is to buy a third party > > RIP > > such as Imageprint which is not cheap but gives a beautiful B&W( > with > > minimal metamerism) and color print. This is what I use personally, > > and > > I have been pleased with the results. One recommendation I would > make > > is that if you saturate your colors, use a mask to prevent the > > increased saturation from affecting the B&W portion of your image. > > Otherwise, increasing saturation will result in unwanted tints in > the > > B&W areas. > > cheers! > > Kevin Monroe > > www.kevinmonroephotography.com > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" > > <blizzie12@y...> wrote: > > > What are my options for printing an image with spot colour using > an > > > Epson 2200? Obviously, I can't use the QTR,and the metamerism > > caused > > > by using UC inks and the Epson driver is just horrendous. > > > > > > What do you suggest?
2005-05-11 by andrew
I should clarify: the profile was made by printing the test pattern in PhotoRealistic mode and all printing must also be done in the same way. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andrew" <andrew@a...> wrote: > As I mentioned in another post, I had a custom profile made with the driver set to > PhotoRealistic mode instead of No Colour Management. While this apparently restricts the > gamut, it also seems to result in curves with minimal crossover. The Archival Matte profile > I have produces quite neutral grayscale, and would therefore allow you to do what you > want. OTOH, Semi Gloss still suffers problems. But if you're happy to use Matte or Photo > Rag, it might do the trick. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@y...> wrote:
> > Kevin, I kind of figured that was my only option. I was kind of > > hoping....wishing for a less expensive solution. Thanks for the tip > > on masking out the saturation. I sure wish the Epson driver/UC inks > > did a better job. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm" > > <monroekd@h...> wrote: > > > The only way around your problem I know of is to buy a third party > > > RIP > > > such as Imageprint which is not cheap but gives a beautiful B&W( > > with > > > minimal metamerism) and color print. This is what I use personally, > > > and > > > I have been pleased with the results. One recommendation I would > > make > > > is that if you saturate your colors, use a mask to prevent the > > > increased saturation from affecting the B&W portion of your image. > > > Otherwise, increasing saturation will result in unwanted tints in > > the > > > B&W areas. > > > cheers! > > > Kevin Monroe > > > www.kevinmonroephotography.com > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" > > > <blizzie12@y...> wrote: > > > > What are my options for printing an image with spot colour using > > an > > > > Epson 2200? Obviously, I can't use the QTR,and the metamerism > > > caused > > > > by using UC inks and the Epson driver is just horrendous. > > > > > > > > What do you suggest?
2005-05-11 by R Murai
Hi Folks, Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or perhaps know of any stores that still have bottles for sale? I'll buy all that I can find. Thanks, Rick Murai
2005-05-12 by Mark Savoia
Did you check Porters? Mark On May 11, 2005, at 6:44 PM, R Murai wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or > perhaps > know of any stores that still have bottles for sale? > > I'll buy all that I can find. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-05-12 by R Murai
Yup. Word has it that the guy who manufactured Spotone (out of his home??) passed away and his family wasn't interested in continuing it. And the problem is that the other products out there don't match FB/RC papers being either purple or blue. Another "victim" - albeit insignificant - of the electronic age. I'll keep looking. I've heard that the spotting pens seem to work but Spotone #2 was perfect. I've also tried mixing various inkjet dye ink but to no avail.
> Did you check Porters? > Mark > > On May 11, 2005, at 6:44 PM, R Murai wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or >> perhaps >> know of any stores that still have bottles for sale? >> >> I'll buy all that I can find. >>
2005-05-12 by scott_now_coming
Have you thought of trying MIS inks? I wonder if anyones has tried using MIS inks as a spotting agent. At least that would be "archival" since they are pigment based. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, R Murai <rmurai@e...> wrote: > Yup. > > Word has it that the guy who manufactured Spotone (out of his home??) passed > away and his family wasn't interested in continuing it. And the problem is > that the other products out there don't match FB/RC papers being either > purple or blue. Another "victim" - albeit insignificant - of the electronic > age. > > I'll keep looking. I've heard that the spotting pens seem to work but > Spotone #2 was perfect. I've also tried mixing various inkjet dye ink but to > no avail. > > > Did you check Porters? > > Mark > > > > On May 11, 2005, at 6:44 PM, R Murai wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks, > >> > >> Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or
> >> perhaps > >> know of any stores that still have bottles for sale? > >> > >> I'll buy all that I can find. > >>
2005-05-12 by Peter De Smidt
R Murai wrote: > >I'll keep looking. I've heard that the spotting pens seem to work but >Spotone #2 was perfect. I've also tried mixing various inkjet dye ink but to >no avail. > > I used to use Spotone for spotting bw prints. I know use India ink. It's a better match for the color of my prints. I have the SpotPens. I don't like them, at least for use on traditional FB air dried glossy papers. They put too much liquid on the print for really fine work.l -Peter
2005-05-12 by Mark Savoia
Is this for spotting RC and Fiber b&w prints? If so Marshalls makes spotting grays that work very well. On May 12, 2005, at 9:04 AM, R Murai wrote: > Yup. > > Word has it that the guy who manufactured Spotone (out of his > home??) passed > away and his family wasn't interested in continuing it. And the > problem is > that the other products out there don't match FB/RC papers being > either > purple or blue. Another "victim" - albeit insignificant - of the > electronic > age. > > I'll keep looking. I've heard that the spotting pens seem to work but > Spotone #2 was perfect. I've also tried mixing various inkjet dye > ink but to > no avail. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-05-12 by Russell Baker
I have a set of Spot Pens that have been only used once. They are 10 pens that range from light gray to black. The point is the same as a #000 brush. If you want them you can have then for what ever it will cost to send them to you................ Russ R.E. Baker Photography rebphoto@... Feed a Cat... Starve a Fever........
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From: R Murai
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Subject: [Digital BW] Spotone Anyone?
Hi Folks,
Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or perhaps
know of any stores that still have bottles for sale?
I'll buy all that I can find.
Thanks,
Rick Murai
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-05-12 by R Murai
I tried diluted MIS pigs but they left a slightly dull surface on FB air dried and didn't penetrate/adhere to RC. I'll try the India ink next. Thanks to all!
> Have you thought of trying MIS inks? > > I wonder if anyones has tried using MIS inks as a spotting agent. > > At least that would be "archival" since they are pigment based. > > Scott > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, R Murai > <rmurai@e...> wrote: >> Yup. >> >> Word has it that the guy who manufactured Spotone (out of his > home??) passed >> away and his family wasn't interested in continuing it. And the > problem is >> that the other products out there don't match FB/RC papers being > either >> purple or blue. Another "victim" - albeit insignificant - of the > electronic >> age. >> >> I'll keep looking. I've heard that the spotting pens seem to work > but >> Spotone #2 was perfect. I've also tried mixing various inkjet dye > ink but to >> no avail. >> >>> Did you check Porters? >>> Mark >>> >>> On May 11, 2005, at 6:44 PM, R Murai wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using > or >>>> perhaps >>>> know of any stores that still have bottles for sale? >>>> >>>> I'll buy all that I can find. >>>> > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND > MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2005-05-12 by Djon
Kodak (the real version, not today's) sold B&W spotting dyes, dry on a cardboard base...lick the brush, dab. I'm certain (some of) the traditional Japanese stick inks (for brush painting/calligraphy) do as well or better than spottone...or did, in ancient times (70s). --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, R Murai <rmurai@e...> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or perhaps
> know of any stores that still have bottles for sale? > > I'll buy all that I can find. > > Thanks, > > Rick Murai
2005-05-13 by Howard Rodkin
Russ, Did anyone take you up on the offer of the Spotone pens? Howard <http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Steven_Wright/>
-----Original Message-----
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Baker
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:46 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Spotone Anyone?
I have a set of Spot Pens that have been only used once.
They are 10 pens that range from light gray to black.
The point is the same as a #000 brush.
If you want them you can have then for what ever
it will cost to send them to you................
Russ
R.E. Baker
Photography
rebphoto@...
Feed a Cat...
Starve a Fever........
----- Original Message -----
From: R Murai
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Spotone Anyone?
Hi Folks,
Does anyone out there have any Spotone #2 that they're not using or
perhaps
know of any stores that still have bottles for sale?
I'll buy all that I can find.
Thanks,
Rick Murai
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-05-13 by R Murai
Yup!! Thanks Russ! rm
On 5/13/05 5:23 AM, "Howard Rodkin" <hrodkin@...> wrote: > > > Russ, > > Did anyone take you up on the offer of the Spotone pens? > > Howard > > <http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Steven_Wright/> >