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Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-15 by Walter George

Dear Members,

Have been researching the digital B&W printing options, and it seems 
the C86 and MIS BO would be a good start from all your suggestions.The 
game plan is to install the one Eboni cartridge and the three Epson 
color cartridges  to start. I have back up cartridges of both to avoid 
running dry.

The part I am a little confused about now is how to setup PS CS2 for 
B&W printing. Just knowing the basic settings would be a big help, and 
one could experiment from there. I just finished getting my 890 to 
print color decently using Ian Lyons matte paper icc profile and the 
printer driver turned off, so I have a good idea of the different 
possible settings. I read Clayton's papers on BO and I am not sure it 
covers all the basic CS2 settings. Then if you want to adjust things in 
PS, what do people recommend if using BO? I realize that with the MIS 
EZQuadtones, the idea is to just print, and things are not setup to 
make adjustments.Thank you.

Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-15 by Danny Twang

Hi Walter,

C86 will not do a good job with black only. The trick is to get the  
EZ ink from MIS, either warm or neutral or both, and use them instead  
of the color ink.
As for setting, well I don't do much adjusting at all with this set  
up, only minor tweaking with brightness and contrast in the printer  
drive....

danny

Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-15 by Jordan Wosnick

I have had a lot of success with BO mode in with my C86, both with 
the Epson OEM black ink and with the MIS Eboni ink. In fact, when I 
got the EZ inkset and installed it, I had a hard time 
distinguishing the EZ inkset prints from my BO prints of the same 
file at normal viewing distances (though the tone of the BO prints 
is perceptibly warmer).

Lately I've been having some banding problems with BO, though. I 
need to do some alignments or cleanings to try to fix that.

There may be sample variability among printers that leads to people 
reporting varying degrees of success with the C86 in BO mode. 
Really, all I did was check "Black Ink Only" and go for it. The 
results (until recently) have been great and BO mode uses FAR less 
ink than the printing with the full EZ inkset.

Jordan

Danny Twang wrote:
> Hi Walter,
> 
> C86 will not do a good job with black only. The trick is to get the  
> EZ ink from MIS, either warm or neutral or both, and use them instead  
> of the color ink.
> As for setting, well I don't do much adjusting at all with this set  
> up, only minor tweaking with brightness and contrast in the printer  
> drive....
> 
> danny
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-15 by danny

That's odd, my experience with C86 in BO mode will show severe banding.

danny
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> 
> I have had a lot of success with BO mode in with my C86, both with 
> the Epson OEM black ink and with the MIS Eboni ink. In fact, when I 
> got the EZ inkset and installed it, I had a hard time 
> distinguishing the EZ inkset prints from my BO prints of the same 
> file at normal viewing distances (though the tone of the BO prints 
> is perceptibly warmer).
> 
> Lately I've been having some banding problems with BO, though. I 
> need to do some alignments or cleanings to try to fix that.
> 
> There may be sample variability among printers that leads to people 
> reporting varying degrees of success with the C86 in BO mode. 
> Really, all I did was check "Black Ink Only" and go for it. The 
> results (until recently) have been great and BO mode uses FAR less 
> ink than the printing with the full EZ inkset.
> 
> Jordan
> 
> Danny Twang wrote:
>> Hi Walter,
>> 
>> C86 will not do a good job with black only. The trick is to get the  
>> EZ ink from MIS, either warm or neutral or both, and use them instead  
>> of the color ink.
>> As for setting, well I don't do much adjusting at all with this set  
>> up, only minor tweaking with brightness and contrast in the printer  
>> drive....

Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-16 by Walter George

Thank you for responding to my questions. That was good feedback. I 
think I will try the BO only first just to be able to keep things 
simple and the ink flowing more easily (one ink to replace), though I 
realize it might not measure up, in which case I would have to go the 
EZQuad route. Please feel free to add any more suggestions.  

Walter




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danny" 
<dannyt@f...> wrote:
> That's odd, my experience with C86 in BO mode will show severe 
banding.
> 
> danny
> 
> > 
> > I have had a lot of success with BO mode in with my C86, both 
with 
> > the Epson OEM black ink and with the MIS Eboni ink. In fact, when 
I 
> > got the EZ inkset and installed it, I had a hard time 
> > distinguishing the EZ inkset prints from my BO prints of the same 
> > file at normal viewing distances (though the tone of the BO 
prints 
> > is perceptibly warmer).
> > 
> > Lately I've been having some banding problems with BO, though. I 
> > need to do some alignments or cleanings to try to fix that.
> > 
> > There may be sample variability among printers that leads to 
people 
> > reporting varying degrees of success with the C86 in BO mode. 
> > Really, all I did was check "Black Ink Only" and go for it. The 
> > results (until recently) have been great and BO mode uses FAR 
less 
> > ink than the printing with the full EZ inkset.
> > 
> > Jordan
> > 
> > Danny Twang wrote:
> >> Hi Walter,
> >> 
> >> C86 will not do a good job with black only. The trick is to get 
the  
> >> EZ ink from MIS, either warm or neutral or both, and use them 
instead  
> >> of the color ink.
> >> As for setting, well I don't do much adjusting at all with this 
set  
> >> up, only minor tweaking with brightness and contrast in the 
printer  
> >> drive....

Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-16 by danny

Glad to help You, I've mostly been lurking her on this list myself:-)

If You already have the printer in house, why not try BO with the Epson ink, 
MIS Ebony will perform the same, but slightly more neutral..

cheers,
danny


Thank you for responding to my questions. That was good feedback. I
think I will try the BO only first just to be able to keep things
simple and the ink flowing more easily (one ink to replace), though I
realize it might not measure up, in which case I would have to go the
EZQuad route. Please feel free to add any more suggestions.

Walter

Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-16 by Jordan Wosnick

Yes, please let us know how it works out.

Jordan

Walter George wrote:
> Thank you for responding to my questions. That was good feedback. I 
> think I will try the BO only first just to be able to keep things 
> simple and the ink flowing more easily (one ink to replace), though I 
> realize it might not measure up, in which case I would have to go the 
> EZQuad route. Please feel free to add any more suggestions.  
> 
> Walter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danny" 
> <dannyt@f...> wrote:
> 
>>That's odd, my experience with C86 in BO mode will show severe 
> 
> banding.
> 
>>danny
>>
>>
>>>I have had a lot of success with BO mode in with my C86, both 
> 
> with 
> 
>>>the Epson OEM black ink and with the MIS Eboni ink. In fact, when 
> 
> I 
> 
>>>got the EZ inkset and installed it, I had a hard time 
>>>distinguishing the EZ inkset prints from my BO prints of the same 
>>>file at normal viewing distances (though the tone of the BO 
> 
> prints 
> 
>>>is perceptibly warmer).
>>>
>>>Lately I've been having some banding problems with BO, though. I 
>>>need to do some alignments or cleanings to try to fix that.
>>>
>>>There may be sample variability among printers that leads to 
> 
> people 
> 
>>>reporting varying degrees of success with the C86 in BO mode. 
>>>Really, all I did was check "Black Ink Only" and go for it. The 
>>>results (until recently) have been great and BO mode uses FAR 
> 
> less 
> 
>>>ink than the printing with the full EZ inkset.
>>>
>>>Jordan
>>>
>>>Danny Twang wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Walter,
>>>>
>>>>C86 will not do a good job with black only. The trick is to get 
> 
> the  
> 
>>>>EZ ink from MIS, either warm or neutral or both, and use them 
> 
> instead  
> 
>>>>of the color ink.
>>>>As for setting, well I don't do much adjusting at all with this 
> 
> set  
> 
>>>>up, only minor tweaking with brightness and contrast in the 
> 
> printer  
> 
>>>>drive....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson C86, MIS BO Beginner

2005-06-17 by Walter George

You are absolutely right! That is what I should try first- BO with 
the stock black pigment Epson ink. It just dawned on me, too, before 
I read your most recent message, if for no other reason than it will 
keep my printer in warranty while I experiment with PS color to BW 
conversion and using the C86. Thanks again.

Walter

C> Glad to help You, I've mostly been lurking her on this list 
myself:-)
> 
> If You already have the printer in house, why not try BO with the 
Epson ink, 
> MIS Ebony will perform the same, but slightly more neutral..
> 
> cheers,
> danny
> 
> 
> Thank you for responding to my questions. That was good feedback. I
> think I will try the BO only first just to be able to keep things
> simple and the ink flowing more easily (one ink to replace), though 
I
> realize it might not measure up, in which case I would have to go 
the
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> EZQuad route. Please feel free to add any more suggestions.
> 
> Walter

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