Digital BW, The Print

This is what Roy's site says:

******************
The current product has two distinct parts, the print engine which is  
based on Gimp-Print and the Quad Tone Profiling part that is solely  
my own work. The Gimp-Print code is licensed under the GNU General  
Public License.

The QuadTone Profile part is licensed as a Shareware product. You are  
free to download and try the product. It is a fully operational  
product, there are no disabled parts or dongles. If it meets your  
needs and you want to use it for your regular workflow, please come  
back and pay a shareware fee of fifty dollars $50. This fee can be  
applied per user so one user can use as may printers as he/she wants,  
or the fee can be applied per printer so one printer can be used by  
many users. The fee will also entitle you to any bug-fix updates.  
Profiles distributed here are included and others are free to swap  
and distribute profiles without restriction.

**********************

The problem with Roy's description of fees is that there are *three*  
distinct parts:

    1) Print engine (free under the GNU license)

    2) Profile utility or utilities (shareware - $50)

    3) User interface for 1 as well as 2.

Since I have no idea how to use Gimp-Print (which is on my Mac) to  
print using any of the QTR profiles, let alone manipulate ink  
density, etc., I paid my $50. That $50 gave me the right to use an  
interface and set of programs to do things I could not otherwise do.  
Even if I don't want to "roll my own" profiles, I need the  
interface... and that's Roy's work. I don't mind paying for it.

Myron

Myron Gochnauer wrote:

> The problem with Roy's description of fees is that there are *three*  
> distinct parts:
> 
>     1) Print engine (free under the GNU license)
> 
>     2) Profile utility or utilities (shareware - $50)
> 
>     3) User interface for 1 as well as 2.
> 
> Since I have no idea how to use Gimp-Print (which is on my Mac) to  
> print using any of the QTR profiles, let alone manipulate ink  
> density, etc., I paid my $50. That $50 gave me the right to use an  
> interface and set of programs to do things I could not otherwise do.  
> Even if I don't want to "roll my own" profiles, I need the  
> interface... and that's Roy's work. I don't mind paying for it.

Just to complicate things a little more, most Windows users also use a 
4th part, QTRgui, which adds a graphical interface to Roy Harrington's QTR.

QTRgui is the work of Stephen Billard, and I'm very grateful for his 
program which makes QTR much easier to use.

QTRgui is freeware, and is packaged with the Windows version of QTR.

Peter Marquis-Kyle

Maybe I should change the QTRgui license to make it's use contingent on paying
Roy the $50 :>)

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Marquis-Kyle
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:36 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR fees
> 
> 
> Myron Gochnauer wrote:
> 
> > The problem with Roy's description of fees is that there are *three*
> > distinct parts:
> > 
> >     1) Print engine (free under the GNU license)
> > 
> >     2) Profile utility or utilities (shareware - $50)
> > 
> >     3) User interface for 1 as well as 2.
> > 
> > Since I have no idea how to use Gimp-Print (which is on my Mac) to
> > print using any of the QTR profiles, let alone manipulate ink  
> > density, etc., I paid my $50. That $50 gave me the right to use an  
> > interface and set of programs to do things I could not 
> otherwise do.  
> > Even if I don't want to "roll my own" profiles, I need the  
> > interface... and that's Roy's work. I don't mind paying for it.
> 
> Just to complicate things a little more, most Windows users 
> also use a 
> 4th part, QTRgui, which adds a graphical interface to Roy 
> Harrington's QTR.
> 
> QTRgui is the work of Stephen Billard, and I'm very grateful for his 
> program which makes QTR much easier to use.
> 
> QTRgui is freeware, and is packaged with the Windows version of QTR.
> 
> Peter Marquis-Kyle
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I'll vote for that! it would at least cover the PC side of things.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Billard" <stephen@s...> wrote:
> Maybe I should change the QTRgui license to make it's use 
contingent on paying
> Roy the $50 :>)
> 
> -Stephen
>  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Peter Marquis-Kyle
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:36 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTR fees
> > 
> > 
> > Myron Gochnauer wrote:
> > 
> > > The problem with Roy's description of fees is that there are 
*three*
> > > distinct parts:
> > > 
> > >     1) Print engine (free under the GNU license)
> > > 
> > >     2) Profile utility or utilities (shareware - $50)
> > > 
> > >     3) User interface for 1 as well as 2.
> > > 
> > > Since I have no idea how to use Gimp-Print (which is on my 
Mac) to
> > > print using any of the QTR profiles, let alone manipulate ink  
> > > density, etc., I paid my $50. That $50 gave me the right to 
use an  
> > > interface and set of programs to do things I could not 
> > otherwise do.  
> > > Even if I don't want to "roll my own" profiles, I need the  
> > > interface... and that's Roy's work. I don't mind paying for it.
> > 
> > Just to complicate things a little more, most Windows users 
> > also use a 
> > 4th part, QTRgui, which adds a graphical interface to Roy 
> > Harrington's QTR.
> > 
> > QTRgui is the work of Stephen Billard, and I'm very grateful for 
his 
> > program which makes QTR much easier to use.
> > 
> > QTRgui is freeware, and is packaged with the Windows version of 
QTR.

> > 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Myron Gochnauer
<goch@u...> wrote:
> This is what Roy's site says:
> 

> The problem with Roy's description of fees is that there are *three*  
> distinct parts:
> 
>     1) Print engine (free under the GNU license)
> 

Yes, but does "free" necessarily mean there must be no charge to a 3rd
party (such as us) to obtain something like Roy's modified, QTR
version  of the GNU print engine? As far as I can tell, it appears
that the GNU license allows that any software that incorporates the
"free" GNU code to be distributed even if there's a _fee_ charged by
the author (e.g., Roy, in this case). So clearly (or unclearly) Roy is
seems to be entitled to charge a fee for even the print-only part of
QTR that's based on the Gimp.

Here, in part, is what's stated in the GNU license:
*******
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not
price.  Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you
have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for
this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it
if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it
in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things.

This just blows me away. The guy works his butt off bringing a
product to market that is damn good at what it does some folks
seem to be looking for a way out of paying 50 bucks or at
least justifing not paying 50 bucks. If you use it and like it
then buy it.

Regards, Walt

http://www.kauaiphotos.biz

I recently received some Innova papers from Jim at Shadesofpaper. The 
service was very good, with fast shipping and good feedback. Until now, 
my favorite paper with MIS EZ inks in a C86 for black and white printing 
has been Epson Premium Semi-Matte, which I prefer slightly to Kirkland 
glossy, mainly because the latter is too glossy for my taste.

I used two test images. The first was a photograph taken with 35mm TMY  
scanned on a Coolscan V.  The second was from a photograph taken on 8x10 
HP5+ scanned on a Canonscan 9950F.  An 8x10 silver-gelatin print from 
the 35mm negative shows fine but noticeable grain. I haven't made a 
silver-gelatin print from the 8x10 negative yet, but I'm sure it 
wouldn't show any grain whatsoever ever at 8x10.  Before trying the new 
papers, I adjusted the images in photoshop to print at 8x10 as I'd like 
them on Semi-Matte using Paul's printing suggestions. Both images looked 
very good on the Semi-Matte. The grain on the print from the 35mm 
negative looked  very similar on both the digital and traditional 
print.  I've heard people say that the Coolscan isn't good for black and 
white because the LED light source exaggerates film grain. I haven't 
found this to be the case.

Moving on to the matte paper, I first replaced the Photo Black cartridge 
with Eboni and did a little printing on office paper to flush the Photo 
Black out of the printer. Next, I loaded up a sheet of Innova Fiba 
Print, using the convex side as the printing surface. I changed the 
Epson driver settings to those recommended by Paul, but I didn't use his 
photoshop curve.  The slider on the printer that keeps the print 
straight in the printer had to be loosened, and the printer did not take 
the paper on the first attempt. On the next attempt, I held the paper 
flat against the sheet loader tray and pushed the paper slightly into 
the printer. The paper went in ok, but here were some alarming noises, 
and there were some blobs of ink on the print. I next tried loading  a 
sheet with the concave side as the printing surface, which resulted in a 
very weak print with more ink globs.  After I confirmed with the list 
that the convex side was the proper printing surface, I tried again, and 
this time printing went without a hitch, and I've now made about 10 
prints without a problem.  I'm not sure what the initial problem was. 
The prints looked ok, but quite different from the prints on 
Semi-matte.  Setting aside surface differences, the matte prints looked 
dark, and the darker print values showed very poor print separation.

I then printed the images with the addition of Paul's Photoshop curves. 
These made a huge difference. The matte prints now look very, very good. 
Yes, the dmax is less on them than the semi-matte, but it's not enough 
of a difference to bother me. Once difference, though, is that the matte 
paper exacerbates the grain in the print from the 35mm negative. It's 
not a huge amount, but it's definitely noticeable.  I don't see this 
increased coarseness on the prints from the 8x10 negative. The 8x10 
negative is a studio head and shoulders portrait of my daughter Lauren. 
I used frontal lighting and her irises are very sharp. There's perhaps a 
tad less detail in the irises on the matte print.

While I certainly have more fine-tuning to do, I'm very happy with the 
results from both the Innova Fiba and Epson semi-matte.  The Innova has 
a nicer feel, of course, but I don't really care about that. I plan on 
using both papers. Some images look better on the matte paper, while 
others look better on the semi-matte.  I wish there had been a clear 
winner, though, as now I'll have to switch blacks regularly.

I like to thank Paul for all of his work with these printing systems, 
especially for his willingness to share the information.

Peter De Smidt

On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 09:45:25AM -1000, Walt Mucha wrote:
> This just blows me away. The guy works his butt off bringing a
> product to market that is damn good at what it does some folks
> seem to be looking for a way out of paying 50 bucks or at
> least justifing not paying 50 bucks.

The original post sorta smelled like a gripe if you didn't read it
carefully, but in fact it wasn't.  You missed a key sentence:

  "I don't mind paying for it."

Regards,

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

So far I've been using the MIS EZ inks with success I originally bought 
the pre-loaded cartridges, and when the ink starts to get low, I reset 
the chip and add the approriate ink. Hence up till now I've never filled 
completely empty cartridges.  Today, however, I received some MIS color 
ink and empty cartridges to use in my color printer. Unlike the cyan and 
magenta cartridges, the yellow one is taking a long time to transfer ink 
to the sponge. With the other, I could clearly see ink pour along the 
bottom of the sponge side, but with the yellow, only a small bit of the 
sponge side changed color when I filled the cartridge. I realize that it 
may take awhile for  the sponge to be saturated, and I plan on letting 
the cartridges sit for a few hours. Then I'll use a bottom fill adapter 
to draw off any air bubbles at the valve. My question is should I be 
concerned that the yellow cartridges behavior was so different than the 
others?

Peter De Smidt

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Billard" 
<stephen@s...> wrote:
> Maybe I should change the QTRgui license to make it's use contingent 
on paying
> Roy the $50 :>)
> 
> -Stephen
>  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> 


But then how do you keep it from the pirates? I all seems so simple to 
me... If you use and like it, send the money. If you use it, but think 
it is clumsy, then maybe don't pay the $50, but that's not all that 
honest. If you don't like it, and don't use it, then go out and buy 
something like IJC/OPM or Studioprint.

I have one file that always prints with a keyline. There is no  
keyline in the file and on the print driver, where it asks you if you  
want a keyline, I have checked "none." Yet, there it is, every time.  
And, no other file does this. Does anyone have any ideas what's going  
on? I'm on a Mac and am printing with a 2200, and it's a color file,  
OEM inks.

Thanks,
Barbara White

IMO if one uses it at all for anything other than initial 
evaluation, it should be paid for. Period. Anything else is just 
rationalising theft.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dfaprinting" 
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Billard" 
> <stephen@s...> wrote:
> > Maybe I should change the QTRgui license to make it's use 
contingent 
> on paying
> > Roy the $50 :>)
> > 
> > -Stephen
> >  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> > 
> 
> 
> But then how do you keep it from the pirates? I all seems so 
simple to 
> me... If you use and like it, send the money. If you use it, but 
think 
> it is clumsy, then maybe don't pay the $50, but that's not all 
that 
> honest. If you don't like it, and don't use it, then go out and 
buy 
> something like IJC/OPM or Studioprint.

My sentiments exactly.

woody spedden

--- dlruckus <dlruckus@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
IMO if one uses it at all for anything other than
initial 
evaluation, it should be paid for. Period. Anything
else is just 
rationalising theft.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"dfaprinting" 
<dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"Stephen 
Billard" 
> <stephen@s...> wrote:
> > Maybe I should change the QTRgui license to make
it's use 
contingent 
> on paying
> > Roy the $50 :>)
> > 
> > -Stephen
> >  www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> > 
> 
> 
> But then how do you keep it from the pirates? I all
seems so 
simple to 
> me... If you use and like it, send the money. If you
use it, but 
think 
> it is clumsy, then maybe don't pay the $50, but
that's not all 
that 
> honest. If you don't like it, and don't use it, then
go out and 
buy 
> something like IJC/OPM or Studioprint.




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dlruckus <dlruckus@...> wrote:
IMO if one uses it at all for anything other than initial 
evaluation, it should be paid for. Period. Anything else is just 
rationalising theft.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dfaprinting" 
wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Billard" 
> wrote:
> > Maybe I should change the QTRgui license to make it's use 
contingent 
> on paying
> > Roy the $50 :>)
> > 
> > -Stephen
> > www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> > 
> 
> 
> But then how do you keep it from the pirates? I all seems so 
simple to 
> me... If you use and like it, send the money. If you use it, but 
think 
> it is clumsy, then maybe don't pay the $50, but that's not all 
that 
> honest. If you don't like it, and don't use it, then go out and 
buy 
> something like IJC/OPM or Studioprint.





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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker 
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> The only thing worse is having people promote, on web sites, using 
it and not paying for it!
>  
> Tom Baker
> 


I do believe that is exactly what I said.

And hasn't this gone on long enough? If there is really a question 
about this, shouldn't it be directed to the QTR group?

Right on, Walt.

maybe Roy should just put some code in that requires activation and 
payment after 50 days or your hard drive is erased !!!

I can't believe this discussion. QTR is the cheapest best piece of 
software on the planet. 

cheers,

Tom O'Connell



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walt Mucha 
<wkm@k...> wrote:

> This just blows me away. The guy works his butt off bringing a
> product to market that is damn good at what it does some folks
> seem to be looking for a way out of paying 50 bucks or at
> least justifing not paying 50 bucks. If you use it and like it
> then buy it.
> 
> Regards, Walt
> 
> http://www.kauaiphotos.biz

At this point Keith Cooper is feeling defensive enough (funny how guilt 
triggers that response) and is entrenched enough that nobody's opinion 
but Roy's will get Keith to change his position, and it seems Roy is 
otherwise occupied & not paying attention, or really doesn't give a 
damn if someone tells the entire world that QTR is free. Or, maybe Roy 
just realizes it's better not to step into this, and will choose to do 
something quietly a bit later? Who knows.... but in the meantime, yes, 
it has gone on long enough, let's wait & see.

Steven Karafyllakis

> 
> And hasn't this gone on long enough? If there is really a question 
> about this, shouldn't it be directed to the QTR group?

Steven and group, enough, uncle, stop, quit, I give.

Chuck Carstensen

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Charles Carstensen 
<chas33@m...> wrote:
> Steven and group, enough, uncle, stop, quit, I give.
> 
> Chuck Carstensen

Fine by me, I had actually quit last night. I was a bit surprised to 
see so many others jumping in.


Steve

I don't know, or particularly care, who is right about the QTR license 
agreement. I've used QTR to make exactly one print, as a test for a 
dither banding problem using another product, and then uninstalled it 
(which is easier said than done, incidentally - it leaves droppings all 
over the system). That doesn't exactly put me in a position of 
liability, and I have no particular interest in QTR since I'm not a user.

But I can say that when proponents of one side of an argument are 
incapable of being civil or resisting the temptation to fling snide 
insults, I'm uninclined to credit that side with any particular virtue. 
When such mobs are right, it is usually by coincidence, their position 
having been arrived at by irrational methods - with hysteria and much 
shouting.

To be subjected to this kind of irrelevant, atopical excresence is not 
the reason I'm here.


Tom OConnell wrote:

> maybe Roy should just put some code in that requires activation and 
> payment after 50 days or your hard drive is erased !!!

So QTR users advocate criminal behaviour, and believe QTR should be 
dangerous to use. That makes the product look *really* attractive.

I think if I ever need a RIP, QTR is one that I'll *run* from, if only 
to avoid this kind of association.

-- 
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

Hello all, I wonder if any knows how to move the power retouche 
plug-ins from one computer to another. I just moved my photography work 
to a different computer, including photoshop CS. I moved the plugins 
folder also as well as the power retouche folder in the application 
support folder under library. When I run the plugs, it tells me that 
they are not registered and to run the installer again. I emailed the 
power retouche, and they are out of town for a month.
Any ever done this? Thanks for any info..Doug M

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:

Try burning power retouche to a disk and reinstalling it that way.

> Hello all, I wonder if any knows how to move the power retouche 
> plug-ins from one computer to another. I just moved my photography work 
> to a different computer, including photoshop CS. I moved the plugins 
> folder also as well as the power retouche folder in the application 
> support folder under library. When I run the plugs, it tells me that 
> they are not registered and to run the installer again. I emailed the 
> power retouche, and they are out of town for a month.
> Any ever done this? Thanks for any info..Doug M

Hi there. Aside from "koloshor" here and Joseph S. Wisniewski in "real life", I'm also "wiz" on sourceforge, and have been a member of the gimp-print developer's team for many years. Now, I may well be the least productive member, I don't recall ever checking anything in that wasn't immediatly pulled out by someone with a much better idea how to make this stuff work, but hey, I'm in there...

As someone active in the free software and open source (and weird, partial overlaps of the two) communities for years, how Roy lays it down is exactly how it works.

gimp-print (and gutenprint) can be distributed exactly like Roy does. He's compiled them as standalone executables, and pipes files to them. Roys contribution is a little more than the curves, it's a stand alone program that takes an image file, applies the curves, and then pipes it to the gimp-print engine.

The GPL allows you to bundle compiled GPL'd components with commercial software that you sell. You have to at least provide pointers to where people can download the source for the GPL'd code. That's it, nothing more.

Now, if you want to see what just the free part of gimp-print will do for you, delete imagetoraster.exe from your QTR\bin directory.

There's actually a FSF foundation document titled something like "how to make money from free software". They list abotu 10 business cases. Roy's case, something that feeds data to a GPL component, is one of them. Steve's case, a GUI for a command line driven GPL'd program is also one of them. That's like the folks who wrote the shareware (commercial) GUIs PTgui and PTassembler for the popular freeware command line driven Panorama Tools. 

Ciao!

Joe

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Myron Gochnauer <goch@u...> wrote:

> This is what Roy's site says:
> 
> ******************
> The current product has two distinct parts, the print engine which is  
> based on Gimp-Print and the Quad Tone Profiling part that is solely  
> my own work. The Gimp-Print code is licensed under the GNU General  
> Public License.
> 
> The QuadTone Profile part is licensed as a Shareware product. You are  
> free to download and try the product. It is a fully operational  
> product, there are no disabled parts or dongles. If it meets your  
> needs and you want to use it for your regular workflow, please come  
> back and pay a shareware fee of fifty dollars $50. This fee can be  
> applied per user so one user can use as may printers as he/she wants,  
> or the fee can be applied per printer so one printer can be used by  
> many users. The fee will also entitle you to any bug-fix updates.  
> Profiles distributed here are included and others are free to swap  
> and distribute profiles without restriction.
> 
> **********************
> 
> The problem with Roy's description of fees is that there are *three*  
> distinct parts:
> 
>     1) Print engine (free under the GNU license)
> 
>     2) Profile utility or utilities (shareware - $50)
> 
>     3) User interface for 1 as well as 2.
> 
> Since I have no idea how to use Gimp-Print (which is on my Mac) to  
> print using any of the QTR profiles, let alone manipulate ink  
> density, etc., I paid my $50. That $50 gave me the right to use an  
> interface and set of programs to do things I could not otherwise do.  
> Even if I don't want to "roll my own" profiles, I need the  
> interface... and that's Roy's work. I don't mind paying for it.
> 
> Myron