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2005-08-22 by john dean
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2005-08-22 by john dean
Is anyone using the K7 now who has used carbon inksets in the past? What do ya think, dmax ok? John
2005-08-22 by piezobw
John, Neutral K7 is a carbon inket. Its a mixture of carbon based pigments which have been formulated to be neutral when used on a very popular shade of white fine art inkjet paper. The dMax is controlled by the Black position. Our intention with the black position was a pure pigment black similar to the Museum Black in the PiezoTone inksets. It is possible to substitute another black for greater dMax if you choose. Piezography Portfolio Black would give nearly 2/3 a stop. However, there is a control in QuadTone RIP which allows for greater black density and we found the K7 pure pigment black to be nearly as dense when printed as the Portfolio Black is with PiezographyBW ICC and iQuads. I am certain that users can give their impression of density. But I wanted to correct what I interpreted as your understanding that K7 was not based on carbon. regards, Jon Cone --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> Is anyone using the K7 now who has used carbon inksets in the past? > What do ya think, dmax ok? > > John
2005-08-22 by Paul Roark
Jon, > > Neutral K7 is a carbon inket. Its a mixture of carbon based pigments > which have been formulated to be neutral ... Have you been able to get rid of the color pigments entirely in the mix? Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-08-22 by john dean
Hi Jon, Oh no. I surely knew the K7 were carbon and know your high standards and how long you have been working to achieve this. I was just asking if anyone who is using other carbon inksets (such as piezzotone selenium tone, etc) had an opinion on the way the dmax looked with this new inkset. You just answered my question. It should be at least as deep as Selenium Tone Quads, which is fine to me. I guess my concern was if I eliminate one of the dark greys to fit into a 7000 if I would loose any of that dmax. Probably not, especially with the rips abilty to assign ink limits. Thanks for the comments, John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <piezobw@c...> wrote: > John, > > Neutral K7 is a carbon inket. Its a mixture of carbon based pigments which have been > formulated to be neutral when used on a very popular shade of white fine art inkjet paper. > The dMax is controlled by the Black position. Our intention with the black position was a > pure pigment black similar to the Museum Black in the PiezoTone inksets. It is possible to > substitute another black for greater dMax if you choose. Piezography Portfolio Black would > give nearly 2/3 a stop. However, there is a control in QuadTone RIP which allows for > greater black density and we found the K7 pure pigment black to be nearly as dense when > printed as the Portfolio Black is with PiezographyBW ICC and iQuads. > > I am certain that users can give their impression of density. But I wanted to correct what I
> interpreted as your understanding that K7 was not based on carbon. > > regards, > > Jon Cone > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > Is anyone using the K7 now who has used carbon inksets in the past? > > What do ya think, dmax ok? > > > > John
2005-08-22 by piezobw
Some of the PiezoTone inks used color pigments mixed with carbon pigments. In any event - drop shade #4 from the Neutral K7 set to make a Neutral K6 set. That is the shade to lose, rather than the darkest ones. The K6 Universal carts for the EPSON 7000, 7500, 9000 & 9500 should be in InkjetMall in about 2 weeks. 4oz bottles go on sale this week. 16oz bottles should follow in about 10 days. regards, Jon Cone --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> Hi Jon, > > Oh no. I surely knew the K7 were carbon and know your high standards > and how long you have been working to achieve this. I was just asking > if anyone who is using other carbon inksets (such as piezzotone > selenium tone, etc) had an opinion on the way the dmax looked with > this new inkset. You just answered my question. It should be at least > as deep as Selenium Tone Quads, which is fine to me. I guess my > concern was if I eliminate one of the dark greys to fit into a 7000 if > I would loose any of that dmax. Probably not, especially with the rips > abilty to assign ink limits. > > Thanks for the comments, > > John
2005-08-22 by john dean
Thanks Jon, When I return from vacation I'll be doing just that in one of my machines. Glad to hear you will be putting them in carts for that purpose! John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <piezobw@c...> wrote: > Some of the PiezoTone inks used color pigments mixed with carbon pigments. > > In any event - drop shade #4 from the Neutral K7 set to make a Neutral K6 set. That is the > shade to lose, rather than the darkest ones. The K6 Universal carts for the EPSON 7000, > 7500, 9000 & 9500 should be in InkjetMall in about 2 weeks. 4oz bottles go on sale this
> week. 16oz bottles should follow in about 10 days. > > regards, > > Jon Cone > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > > > Oh no. I surely knew the K7 were carbon and know your high standards > > and how long you have been working to achieve this. I was just asking > > if anyone who is using other carbon inksets (such as piezzotone > > selenium tone, etc) had an opinion on the way the dmax looked with > > this new inkset. You just answered my question. It should be at least > > as deep as Selenium Tone Quads, which is fine to me. I guess my > > concern was if I eliminate one of the dark greys to fit into a 7000 if > > I would loose any of that dmax. Probably not, especially with the rips > > abilty to assign ink limits. > > > > Thanks for the comments, > > > > John
2005-08-30 by James Haney
Jon What is the control in QTR that allows for greater black density? James Haney
On Aug 22, 2005, at 2:42 PM, piezobw wrote: > John, > > Neutral K7 is a carbon inket. Its a mixture of carbon based pigments > which have been > formulated to be neutral when used on a very popular shade of white > fine art inkjet paper. > The dMax is controlled by the Black position. Our intention with the > black position was a > pure pigment black similar to the Museum Black in the PiezoTone > inksets. It is possible to > substitute another black for greater dMax if you choose. Piezography > Portfolio Black would > give nearly 2/3 a stop. However, there is a control in QuadTone RIP > which allows for > greater black density and we found the K7 pure pigment black to be > nearly as dense when > printed as the Portfolio Black is with PiezographyBW ICC and iQuads. > > I am certain that users can give their impression of density. But I > wanted to correct what I > interpreted as your understanding that K7 was not based on carbon. > > regards, > > Jon Cone > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: >> Is anyone using the K7 now who has used carbon inksets in the past? >> What do ya think, dmax ok? >> >> John > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >