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Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by steveh0607

Hello Everyone,

Does anyone know the pros and cons of using protectants such as PremierArt Print Shield, 
Krylon Preserve It!, Clear Shield and other such products? 

To what extent, if any, do they actually preserve a print?
How do they change the appearance?
What are you guys and gals using?

Thanks,
Steve

RE: [Digital BW] Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by Paul Roark

Steve,
 
> Does anyone know the pros and cons of using protectants such as PremierArt
> Print Shield, Krylon Preserve It!, Clear Shield and other such products?
> 
> To what extent, if any, do they actually preserve a print?
> How do they change the appearance?
> What are you guys and gals using?
> 

My fade tests, consistent with Wilhelm's, show that PremierArt Print Shield
increases the pigments' resistance to fading.  In one of my tests the MIS UT
pigment's that were sprayed faded about 10% slower, and the UC pigments
faded about 30% slower (bringing them almost up to the MIS standards).

The coatings without UV blockers in them (like Lascaux) have been, at best,
neutral in my fade testing.  Between the lines, it looks like Wilhelm's
results may indicate that the coatings add some degree of protection by
slowing the rate of oxidation.  This is what I'd expect in theory, but my
"initial" (relatively short) fade tests have not found that.

All the coatings I've used increased glossy paper dmax and reduce matte
paper dmax.  Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the most and is what I use on
matte papers.  Three light coats offer some protection against abrasion with
no significant appearance alteration.

Many, particularly older coatings yellow with age or otherwise have negative
results.  I, therefore, don't trust coatings unless they have been used for
years or have been tested by someone I trust.  PremierArt Print Shield and
Lascaux (the well known Rohm & Haas B72 formula) fit into this category and
are what I use.

The quality of the nozzle is an important factor.  Many sprays just do not
go on evenly.

The water-borne coatings are hard to apply smoothly, tend to get dust in
them due to slow drying, tend to remain tacky for a very long time, and
alter the appearance of the print across most of the grayscale ramp.  (As
such, they need their own profiles.)  I don't use them.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by Clayton Jones

Paul,

>Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the most and is what I use on
>matte papers. Three light coats offer some protection against 
>abrasion with no significant appearance alteration.

Did you mean to say "Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the LEAST..."?


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

RE: [Digital BW] Lascaux -- Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by Paul Roark

Yes, my mistake.  Lascaux reduces matte paper the LEAST -- almost not as all
with 3 light sprays.  It is the only spray I use for matte paper.

Thanks for catching my error.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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> 
> Paul,
> 
> >Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the most and is what I use on
> >matte papers. Three light coats offer some protection against
> >abrasion with no significant appearance alteration.
> 
> Did you mean to say "Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the LEAST..."?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by Jeff Medkeff

Paul Roark wrote:


> Many, particularly older coatings yellow with age or otherwise have negative
> results.  I, therefore, don't trust coatings unless they have been used for
> years or have been tested by someone I trust.  PremierArt Print Shield and
> Lascaux (the well known Rohm & Haas B72 formula) fit into this category and
> are what I use.

Do you (does anyone) have any opinion about Golden products? Their 
number 7731X (gloss) is one of the locally available products; I haven't 
found Print Shield or Lascaux yet and don't have reason to think I will.

-- 
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska

Re: [Digital BW] Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by Scott McLoughlin

So there's no protectorant spray for matte papers that has UV blocking
in it? That seems odd to me. Is there some technical reason why this
is the case?

Scott

Paul Roark wrote:
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> Steve,
>
> > Does anyone know the pros and cons of using protectants such as 
> PremierArt
> > Print Shield, Krylon Preserve It!, Clear Shield and other such products?
> >
> > To what extent, if any, do they actually preserve a print?
> > How do they change the appearance?
> > What are you guys and gals using?
> >
>
> My fade tests, consistent with Wilhelm's, show that PremierArt Print 
> Shield
> increases the pigments' resistance to fading. In one of my tests the 
> MIS UT
> pigment's that were sprayed faded about 10% slower, and the UC pigments
> faded about 30% slower (bringing them almost up to the MIS standards).
>
> The coatings without UV blockers in them (like Lascaux) have been, at 
> best,
> neutral in my fade testing. Between the lines, it looks like Wilhelm's
> results may indicate that the coatings add some degree of protection by
> slowing the rate of oxidation. This is what I'd expect in theory, but my
> "initial" (relatively short) fade tests have not found that.
>
> All the coatings I've used increased glossy paper dmax and reduce matte
> paper dmax. Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the most and is what I use on
> matte papers. Three light coats offer some protection against abrasion 
> with
> no significant appearance alteration.
>
> Many, particularly older coatings yellow with age or otherwise have 
> negative
> results. I, therefore, don't trust coatings unless they have been used for
> years or have been tested by someone I trust. PremierArt Print Shield and
> Lascaux (the well known Rohm & Haas B72 formula) fit into this 
> category and
> are what I use.
>
> The quality of the nozzle is an important factor. Many sprays just do not
> go on evenly.
>
> The water-borne coatings are hard to apply smoothly, tend to get dust in
> them due to slow drying, tend to remain tacky for a very long time, and
> alter the appearance of the print across most of the grayscale ramp. (As
> such, they need their own profiles.) I don't use them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>
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RE: [Digital BW] Photo Protectants

2005-08-27 by Paul Roark

I have not found a UV blocking spray that doesn't lower the dmax of matte
paper.  Some of the water-borne coatings have UV blockers and can be put on
thick, so they actually raise the dmax.  They basically turn the matte paper
into a glossy one.  I find it easier to print on glossy paper in the first
place if I want to end up with a glossy print.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> McLoughlin
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:21 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Protectants
> 
> So there's no protectorant spray for matte papers that has UV blocking
> in it? That seems odd to me. Is there some technical reason why this
> is the case?
> 
> Scott
> 
> Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> > Steve,
> >
> > > Does anyone know the pros and cons of using protectants such as
> > PremierArt
> > > Print Shield, Krylon Preserve It!, Clear Shield and other such
> products?
> > >
> > > To what extent, if any, do they actually preserve a print?
> > > How do they change the appearance?
> > > What are you guys and gals using?
> > >
> >
> > My fade tests, consistent with Wilhelm's, show that PremierArt Print
> > Shield
> > increases the pigments' resistance to fading. In one of my tests the
> > MIS UT
> > pigment's that were sprayed faded about 10% slower, and the UC pigments
> > faded about 30% slower (bringing them almost up to the MIS standards).
> >
> > The coatings without UV blockers in them (like Lascaux) have been, at
> > best,
> > neutral in my fade testing. Between the lines, it looks like Wilhelm's
> > results may indicate that the coatings add some degree of protection by
> > slowing the rate of oxidation. This is what I'd expect in theory, but my
> > "initial" (relatively short) fade tests have not found that.
> >
> > All the coatings I've used increased glossy paper dmax and reduce matte
> > paper dmax. Lascaux reduces matte paper dmax the most and is what I use
> on
> > matte papers. Three light coats offer some protection against abrasion
> > with
> > no significant appearance alteration.
> >
> > Many, particularly older coatings yellow with age or otherwise have
> > negative
> > results. I, therefore, don't trust coatings unless they have been used
> for
> > years or have been tested by someone I trust. PremierArt Print Shield
> and
> > Lascaux (the well known Rohm & Haas B72 formula) fit into this
> > category and
> > are what I use.
> >
> > The quality of the nozzle is an important factor. Many sprays just do
> not
> > go on evenly.
> >
> > The water-borne coatings are hard to apply smoothly, tend to get dust in
> > them due to slow drying, tend to remain tacky for a very long time, and
> > alter the appearance of the print across most of the grayscale ramp. (As
> > such, they need their own profiles.) I don't use them.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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