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Thanks to Paul

Thanks to Paul

2005-09-16 by John Moody

I just wanted to say a public thank-you to Paul Roark for developing the MIS
inkset options, and providing so much help at a personal level.  So, Thank
you Paul.

I'm running UT7+FS-Y in an R200, and just got a Dmax of 2.38 and the lab-b
axis exactly where I want it on Kodak professional luster, using QTR.  As
good as 4800 ABW results.
I'm creating the curves in a somewhat unconventional way, and it becomes
apparent how well Paul did in formulating these inks.  Excepting paper
white, I can put lab-b anywhere I want to.  Not as easily as with a 4800,
but where is the fun in that?  :-)

Best regards,
John Moody

UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

2005-09-23 by santonov2you

John, which inks from UT7 set are you using in r200? I understand 
that Yellow position is for UTFSN-Y, how are you using the Light 
Black ink? In which position?
I just got empty carts for r200 and want to repeat your experiment 
with UT7. I quickly tried BO print (with PKN ink) but it is not 
impressive on Kirkland paper -- too flat.

Thanks,
Sergei
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@y...> wrote:
> I just wanted to say a public thank-you to Paul Roark for 
developing the MIS
> inkset options, and providing so much help at a personal level.  
So, Thank
> you Paul.
> 
> I'm running UT7+FS-Y in an R200, and just got a Dmax of 2.38 and 
the lab-b
> axis exactly where I want it on Kodak professional luster, using 
QTR.  As
> good as 4800 ABW results.
> I'm creating the curves in a somewhat unconventional way, and it 
becomes
> apparent how well Paul did in formulating these inks.  Excepting 
paper
> white, I can put lab-b anywhere I want to.  Not as easily as with 
a 4800,
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> but where is the fun in that?  :-)
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody

RE: [Digital BW] UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

2005-09-23 by John Moody

I’m using FS-Y, not FSN-Y.  It’s a little warm, but the cold papers knock it
down some.  I have it in the Y position, but you can put it anywhere using
QTR.

For non-matte papers, I don’t use black at all.  I use UT7-C with UT7-M as a
toner for the dark ink, and UT7-LC with UT7-LM as a toner for the light ink,
and FS-Y for the light-light ink.  That is a total of 5 slots.  I leave
Eboni in the black slot, and use it with all the others for matte papers.

If you are just getting started with QTR, you may be better off not trying
to create toner curves for M and LM; just use copy-curve from C and LC.

Ignoring printer faults, the gray ramp is smooth, with nearly dotless
highlights.  On areas of a 256 patch test strip, under a Solux lamp, I can
“see colors” like Clayton describes.  I don’t see them in the handful of
images I have printed when viewed normally, but I can see how training to
look for it might attune one to it.  I look forward to hearing from the
gurus once they get K7 running on the big machines.  My small prints don’t
typically have large areas of gentle gradient where it seems to matter.

Best regards,
John Moody
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
santonov2you
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:22 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

John, which inks from UT7 set are you using in r200? I understand
that Yellow position is for UTFSN-Y, how are you using the Light
Black ink? In which position?
I just got empty carts for r200 and want to repeat your experiment
with UT7. I quickly tried BO print (with PKN ink) but it is not
impressive on Kirkland paper -- too flat.

Thanks,
Sergei




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Re: [Digital BW] UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

2005-09-23 by santonov2you

Thanks, John!

I spent some time last night and created the first profile. I used 
PKN, UT7-C, UT7-LC, UT7-M, UT7-LM and FSN-Y. Yes, I copied curves 
for M and LM from C and LC. Next step will be eliminating PKN, I see 
it makes the profile worse. In general prints already looks OK and 
very smooth indeed. I am surprised that this little printer that I 
got just for $50 is able to produce same or better quality prints as 
my 2200.

-Sergei

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@y...> wrote:
> I'm using FS-Y, not FSN-Y.  It's a little warm, but the cold 
papers knock it
> down some.  I have it in the Y position, but you can put it 
anywhere using
> QTR.
> 
> For non-matte papers, I don't use black at all.  I use UT7-C with 
UT7-M as a
> toner for the dark ink, and UT7-LC with UT7-LM as a toner for the 
light ink,
> and FS-Y for the light-light ink.  That is a total of 5 slots.  I 
leave
> Eboni in the black slot, and use it with all the others for matte 
papers.
> 
> If you are just getting started with QTR, you may be better off 
not trying
> to create toner curves for M and LM; just use copy-curve from C 
and LC.
> 
> Ignoring printer faults, the gray ramp is smooth, with nearly 
dotless
> highlights.  On areas of a 256 patch test strip, under a Solux 
lamp, I can
> "see colors" like Clayton describes.  I don't see them in the 
handful of
> images I have printed when viewed normally, but I can see how 
training to
> look for it might attune one to it.  I look forward to hearing 
from the
> gurus once they get K7 running on the big machines.  My small 
prints don't
> typically have large areas of gentle gradient where it seems to 
matter.
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> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
>

RE: [Digital BW] UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

2005-09-23 by John Moody

That sounds good.
Eliminating PKN should give you slightly better Dmax, and control over tone;
well worth the effort.

I imagine there is variation among units.  My R200, while quite good, has
micro-banding that my 2200 does not.  I have done a half dozen head
alignments, and even tried the un-align trick.  It’s just not as good as
_my_ 2200, but the price/performance is outstanding.  I’m obsessing a
little; the prints look great.  I’m guessing that I’ll eventually end up
with K7 in my 2200 or a used 4000, but I’m enjoying playing with the R200
and QTR.  I have a lot to learn yet.

Best regards,
John Moody
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
santonov2you
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:26 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

Thanks, John!

I spent some time last night and created the first profile. I used
PKN, UT7-C, UT7-LC, UT7-M, UT7-LM and FSN-Y. Yes, I copied curves
for M and LM from C and LC. Next step will be eliminating PKN, I see
it makes the profile worse. In general prints already looks OK and
very smooth indeed. I am surprised that this little printer that I
got just for $50 is able to produce same or better quality prints as
my 2200.

-Sergei




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RE: [Digital BW] UT7 on R200: which 6 of seven inks to use?

2005-09-23 by Paul Roark

> John Moody wrote:

> ...
> Eliminating PKN should give you slightly better Dmax, and control 
>over tone ...
> 
> I imagine there is variation among units.  My R200, while quite good, has
> micro-banding that my 2200 does not...

One reason I try to have an inkset that prints with all inks firing and the
Epson driver as close to the default settings as possible (no curves) is
that I find that "EZ" approach most often eliminates the microbanding of the
all to common marginal printers.  My 2200, for example, microbanded with
curves, but not with the "EZ" Epson driver approach.  If one has a printer
that microbands with curves, then using the PKN and an inkset made for the
Epson driver may allow one to print better glossy prints than when the black
is generated with the 2 dark gray inks.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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