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2005-10-05 by Jerry Blanton
Hi, I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any experience using any of the online book printing services? The only one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very much appreciated. thanks Jerry
2005-10-05 by Mark Savoia
Did you check out lulu.com or Apple's iPhoto books? Mark On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Jerry Blanton wrote: > Hi, > > I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only > 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any > experience using any of the online book printing services? The only > one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have > any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project > and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very > much appreciated. > > thanks > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-05 by petegorsky@external.umass.edu
Jerry - Innova paper is about to come out with a package that includes sheets of its smooth cotton paper (coated on both sides and pre-drilled and scored) and a cover so that you could print your own books without having to to to a bindery, etc. If that's something you're interested in, let me know and I can give you the name of the guy I get my Hahnemuhle and Innova paper from. Stephen Petegorsky
2005-10-05 by Jim Doyle
Steve Wow i'm impressed that is what I was just gonna say They will be ready Fingers crossed with in two weeks if anybody was to see what they look like and more about them email me off list and Ill send over a jpeg and Info. Cheers Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
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Jerry - Innova paper is about to come out with a package that includes
sheets
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scored)
and a cover so that you could print your own books without having to to to
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bindery, etc. If that's something you're interested in, let me know and I
can
give you the name of the guy I get my Hahnemuhle and Innova paper from.
Stephen Petegorsky
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-10-05 by Timothy Atherton
> Hi, > > I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only > 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any > experience using any of the online book printing services? The only > one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have > any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project > and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very > much appreciated. > I haven't tried sharedink though I know a couple of people who have and been very happy with the result. They have a special photographers section (well hidden... not sure if I could find it again) MyPublisher is crap imo tim a
2005-10-05 by Mark Savoia
They look to be the same as Apple's iPhoto books but more expensive. Mark On Oct 5, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Timothy Atherton wrote: > sharedink
2005-10-05 by Elwood Spedden
Jim I'm interested Woody Spedden --- Jim Doyle <jdoyle1713@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Steve Wow i'm impressed that is what I was just gonna say They will be ready Fingers crossed with in two weeks if anybody was to see what they look like and more about them email me off list and Ill send over a jpeg and Info. Cheers Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
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Jerry - Innova paper is about to come out with a
package that includes
sheets
of its smooth cotton paper (coated on both sides and
pre-drilled and
scored)
and a cover so that you could print your own books
without having to to to
a
bindery, etc. If that's something you're interested
in, let me know and I
can
give you the name of the guy I get my Hahnemuhle and
Innova paper from.
Stephen Petegorsky
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---------------------------------2005-10-05 by Michael E. Gordon
I printed a book with Shared Ink. Take a look at this thread: http://largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/topic/502918.html#562895 Best Regards, Michael Gordon www.mgordonphotography.com
2005-10-05 by Jim Goshorn
On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:20 PM, petegorsky@... wrote: > Jerry - Innova paper is about to come out with a package that > includes sheets > of its smooth cotton paper (coated on both sides and pre-drilled > and scored) > and a cover so that you could print your own books without having > to to to a > bindery, etc. If that's something you're interested in, let me > know and I can > give you the name of the guy I get my Hahnemuhle and Innova paper > from. I believe that Moab paper has a similar paper/binder combo as well. Jim
2005-10-05 by Thomas Moore
also try http://www.shutterfly.com/
On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:14 PM, Mark Savoia wrote: > Did you check out lulu.com or Apple's iPhoto books? > Mark > > On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Jerry Blanton wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only >> 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any >> experience using any of the online book printing services? The only >> one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have >> any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project >> and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very >> much appreciated. >> >> thanks >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER > AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >
2005-10-05 by Frank Kolwicz
Jerry, I used to work in a copy shop and, if you can be satisfied with comb or spiral binding, maybe even newer kinds that I'm not aware of, a full service copy shop could probably put your 5 books together with your inkjet printed hardcopy at a very reasonable price. I suggest working with the shop before you start printing, if you go that way, so you get all the pages printed to their specs with all the cut and alignment and crop marks needed. You can easily do the collating and they should have some recommendation on covers. Frank
2005-10-05 by bradspix
I made my own book using my printer and Pictorico Dual Side paper (about 10 mils thick).
Most of the pix are B&W.
Size is 4 3/4 x 7 3/4. It was designed to fit in my back pocket. A lot of times when I'm
shooting on the street people will ask me what I'm doing, or why am I taking their picture.
Rather than explain street photography (kind of difficult), I just show 'em my book.
Everything is fine then. A nice ice-breaker.
I took some photos of my book, and put it into an online presentation. I'm lousy at
product photography, but you can get the idea.
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b-evans/Images9/Book.htm
Since then I've done a few iPhoto books. They come out nice and are far less labor
intensive.
Good luck, making your own book is a lot of fun!
Best - Brad
Urban pix: http://www.citysnaps.net
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Blanton" <jblanton@y...>
wrote:> Hi, > > I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only > 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any > experience using any of the online book printing services? The only > one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have > any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project > and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very > much appreciated. > > thanks > > Jerry
2005-10-06 by Ken Carney
That is a really great idea. I have done the same thing by handing out Polaroid proofs, a time gone by. Ken
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bradspix > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:40 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: printing a book...insights? > > I made my own book using my printer and Pictorico Dual Side > paper (about 10 mils thick). > Most of the pix are B&W. > > Size is 4 3/4 x 7 3/4. It was designed to fit in my back > pocket. A lot of times when I'm shooting on the street > people will ask me what I'm doing, or why am I taking their picture. > Rather than explain street photography (kind of difficult), I > just show 'em my book. > Everything is fine then. A nice ice-breaker.
2005-10-06 by William Wilson
Stephen - I'm interested in these papers can you give me a link or contact. William
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of petegorsky@... Sent: 05 October 2005 20:20 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] printing a book...insights? Jerry - Innova paper is about to come out with a package that includes sheets of its smooth cotton paper (coated on both sides and pre-drilled and scored) and a cover so that you could print your own books without having to to to a bindery, etc. If that's something you're interested in, let me know and I can give you the name of the guy I get my Hahnemuhle and Innova paper from. Stephen Petegorsky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-06 by Stephen Petegorsky
> Stephen - I'm interested in these papers can you give me a link or contact. > > William William - I got the sample from John Zokowski of Butler Dearden Paper. He can be reached at jzokowski at comcast dot net. Jim Doyle, who posts to this list, also is also about to have them available. Good luck Stephen Petegorsky petegorsky@... Web site www.spphoto.com
2005-10-06 by john dean
There are two things you need to be aware of when printing a book with an inkjet machine. First is the potential for the media to scuff and scratch when handled often.I've seen many books ruined quickly from this. Second is the tendency for most papers (even the nice ones) to transfer the dark blacks onto facing pages. I've seen many otherwise beautuful books ruined after a few months because of this, even when sprayed. You need to test the paper you like for the black transfer potential. I would spray a print that has an area of total black, with one of the uv sprays like Premier Art or Lascaux with about 3 light coats and then press it under some heavy weight books for several weeks in a fairly humid environment with a blank sheet of the same media facing the print. Innova is good in regard to strong coating but I have not tested for black transfer. Hahnemuhle Photo Rag duo performed badly in my experiments. The only paper I've tested so far with perfect results was Premier Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It performed well both sprayed and unsprayed but, their dual sided is 500 weight, too thick for my taste. Two papers worth testing are the Innova Soft Cotton dual and the new Crane Museo 2 dual to see how they compare in this regard. John
2005-10-06 by Paul Roark
John Dean wrote: > ... the potential for the media to scuff and ... > the tendency for most papers (even the nice ones) to > transfer the dark blacks onto facing pages... > The only paper I've tested so far with perfect results > was Premier Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It performed well both > sprayed and unsprayed but, their dual sided is 500 weight, too thick > for my taste... PremierArt Hot Press 205 is dual sided and appears to have the same coating. See http://www.atlex.com/premier/fine-art-205.htm Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-10-06 by john dean
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" Paul is right.I forgot that the thick verson is the Ultrasmooth and that Premier Art makes the thinner dual version. I belive digial art supplies carries it. John <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > John Dean wrote: > > > ... the potential for the media to scuff and > ... > > the tendency for most papers (even the nice ones) to > > transfer the dark blacks onto facing pages... > > > The only paper I've tested so far with perfect results > > was Premier Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It performed well both > > sprayed and unsprayed but, their dual sided is 500 weight, too thick > > for my taste... > > PremierArt Hot Press 205 is dual sided and appears to have the same coating.
> See http://www.atlex.com/premier/fine-art-205.htm > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com?
2005-10-06 by richard_h95050
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > The only paper I've tested so far with perfect results was Premier Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It performed well both sprayed and unsprayed...<snip> Hi John, Did you find that the Premier Art Hotpress/Epson Ultrasmooth passed your test for both transfer AND scuff resistance without spraying? I know spraying adds a margin of protection and safety, but I really try to avoid that process and the fumes whenever possible. Do you mind my asking which inksets you tested and whether the images were color or B&W? I know you work a variety of machines and media... Cheers! Richard
2005-10-06 by john dean
Richard, The inksets that I tested were Ultrachrome and Cone Piezzotone carbon sepia. Scuff resistance is not something that is easy to test because it can vary widely from situation to situation. The Premier Art is quite tough though and you certainly don't have the speckles and flaking issues in the blacks that you do with Hahnemuhle for instance. I think Innova will be good also but I can't testify to it yet. It seems to hold up well. However.... I wouldn't dream of producing one of these books to be handled without spraying because the added protection is major for all media. I think we are already pushing the limits of what a "book" should consititue by using inkjet media in the first place and if someone pays me a thousand dollars plus to output one I certainly don't want it coming back to me in a couple of months. So far none have and I have done a lot of them for designers. This new Crane paper looks a lot like Premier Art but I have't used my samples yet to do anything with. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" <richardh@j...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > > The only paper I've tested so far with perfect results was Premier > Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It performed well both sprayed and > unsprayed...<snip> > > Hi John, > > Did you find that the Premier Art Hotpress/Epson Ultrasmooth passed > your test for both transfer AND scuff resistance without spraying? > > I know spraying adds a margin of protection and safety, but I really > try to avoid that process and the fumes whenever possible. > > Do you mind my asking which inksets you tested and whether the images > were color or B&W? I know you work a variety of machines and media... > > Cheers! > Richard
2005-10-06 by richard_h95050
John, Thanks very much for the info and advice regarding spraying -- I know the quality work you're doing so I trust and respect your opinion. On the Premier Art, are you using solvent or water-based spray? Richard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > Richard, > > The inksets that I tested were Ultrachrome and Cone Piezzotone carbon > sepia. > > Scuff resistance is not something that is easy to test because it can > vary widely from situation to situation. The Premier Art is quite > tough though and you certainly don't have the speckles and flaking > issues in the blacks that you do with Hahnemuhle for instance. I think > Innova will be good also but I can't testify to it yet. It seems to > hold up well. > > However.... I wouldn't dream of producing one of these books to be > handled without spraying because the added protection is major for all > media. I think we are already pushing the limits of what a "book" > should consititue by using inkjet media in the first place and if > someone pays me a thousand dollars plus to output one I certainly > don't want it coming back to me in a couple of months. So far none > have and I have done a lot of them for designers. > > This new Crane paper looks a lot like Premier Art but I have't used my
> samples yet to do anything with. > > > John >
2005-10-06 by Elwood Spedden
Slightly off thread but the implication I read from
these posts is that Premier Art Hot Press and Epson
Ultrasmooth are the same paper? I thought that the
Ultrasmooth was a Crane Product?
Woody Spedden
--- john dean <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"Paul Roark"
Paul is right.I forgot that the thick verson is the
Ultrasmooth and
that Premier Art makes the thinner dual version. I
belive digial art
supplies carries it.
John
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> John Dean wrote:
>
> > ... the potential for the media to scuff and
> ...
> > the tendency for most papers (even the nice ones)
to
> > transfer the dark blacks onto facing pages...
>
> > The only paper I've tested so far with perfect
results
> > was Premier Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It
performed well both
> > sprayed and unsprayed but, their dual sided is 500
weight, too thick
> > for my taste...
>
> PremierArt Hot Press 205 is dual sided and appears
to have the same
coating.
> See http://www.atlex.com/premier/fine-art-205.htm
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com?
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---------------------------------2005-10-06 by john dean
So far I have only used the Premier Art Printshield or Lyson Printguard solvent sprays. Hopefully very soon this will change and we will all be using coatings that can deliver non-toxic uv protection. I am encouraged by the ease of use of the paint on uv protectant DCP varnish that I am starting to use on canvas. It has a very slight satin finish but it might be useful for you too as well as the Premier Art that also makes an acrylic based coating you could try - http://www.inkjetart.com/premier/eco.html. It is time for me to try it too! --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" <richardh@j...> wrote:
> John, > > Thanks very much for the info and advice regarding spraying -- I know > the quality work you're doing so I trust and respect your opinion. On > the Premier Art, are you using solvent or water-based spray? > > Richard > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > Richard, > > > > The inksets that I tested were Ultrachrome and Cone Piezzotone > carbon > > sepia. > > > > Scuff resistance is not something that is easy to test because it > can > > vary widely from situation to situation. The Premier Art is quite > > tough though and you certainly don't have the speckles and flaking > > issues in the blacks that you do with Hahnemuhle for instance. I > think > > Innova will be good also but I can't testify to it yet. It seems to > > hold up well. > > > > However.... I wouldn't dream of producing one of these books to be > > handled without spraying because the added protection is major for > all > > media. I think we are already pushing the limits of what a "book" > > should consititue by using inkjet media in the first place and if > > someone pays me a thousand dollars plus to output one I certainly > > don't want it coming back to me in a couple of months. So far none > > have and I have done a lot of them for designers. > > > > This new Crane paper looks a lot like Premier Art but I have't used > my > > samples yet to do anything with. > > > > > > John > >
2005-10-06 by john dean
The Epson Smooth Fine Art was the old Crane Museo and it has been discontinued by Epson at least. The new Crane Museo 2 is very similar to the Premier Art in surface but is slightly less warm, but pretty close. Crane will have the Museo Max out this month and we should all keep an eye on it for a useful dmax increase with all these monochrome inksets. They are bragging like crazy about it (it better be good) but you can't get a sample of that one yet. But, we'll be talking about it one way or the other. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Elwood Spedden <elwood@w...> wrote:
> Slightly off thread but the implication I read from > these posts is that Premier Art Hot Press and Epson > Ultrasmooth are the same paper? I thought that the > Ultrasmooth was a Crane Product? > > Woody Spedden > > --- john dean <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > "Paul Roark" > Paul is right.I forgot that the thick verson is the > Ultrasmooth and > that Premier Art makes the thinner dual version. I > belive digial art > supplies carries it. > > John > > > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > John Dean wrote: > > > > > ... the potential for the media to scuff and > > ... > > > the tendency for most papers (even the nice ones) > to > > > transfer the dark blacks onto facing pages... > > > > > The only paper I've tested so far with perfect > results > > > was Premier Art Hotpress (Epson Ultrasmooth). It > performed well both > > > sprayed and unsprayed but, their dual sided is 500 > weight, too thick > > > for my taste... > > > > PremierArt Hot Press 205 is dual sided and appears > to have the same > coating. > > See http://www.atlex.com/premier/fine-art-205.htm > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com? > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, > and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily > digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your > Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of > earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or > argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group > topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently > make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the > group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the > actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in > the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY > UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" > OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, > SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING > BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY > OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE > INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING > TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Digital wedding photography > Learn digital photography > Digital photography college > > Digital photography > Digital photography web site > Digital photography course > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on > the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > ---------------------------------
2005-10-06 by richard_h95050
Thanks, John -- much appreciated! Richard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > So far I have only used the Premier Art Printshield or Lyson > Printguard solvent sprays. Hopefully very soon this will change and we > will all be using coatings that can deliver non-toxic uv protection. I > am encouraged by the ease of use of the paint on uv protectant DCP > varnish that I am starting to use on canvas. It has a very slight > satin finish but it might be useful for you too as well as the > Premier Art that also makes an acrylic based coating you could try - > http://www.inkjetart.com/premier/eco.html. > > It is time for me to try it too! > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" > <richardh@j...> wrote: > > John, > > > > Thanks very much for the info and advice regarding spraying -- I know > > the quality work you're doing so I trust and respect your opinion. On > > the Premier Art, are you using solvent or water-based spray? > > > > Richard > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > > <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > > Richard, > > > > > > The inksets that I tested were Ultrachrome and Cone Piezzotone > > carbon > > > sepia. > > > > > > Scuff resistance is not something that is easy to test because it > > can > > > vary widely from situation to situation. The Premier Art is quite > > > tough though and you certainly don't have the speckles and flaking > > > issues in the blacks that you do with Hahnemuhle for instance. I > > think > > > Innova will be good also but I can't testify to it yet. It seems to > > > hold up well. > > > > > > However.... I wouldn't dream of producing one of these books to be > > > handled without spraying because the added protection is major for > > all > > > media. I think we are already pushing the limits of what a "book" > > > should consititue by using inkjet media in the first place and if > > > someone pays me a thousand dollars plus to output one I certainly > > > don't want it coming back to me in a couple of months. So far none > > > have and I have done a lot of them for designers. > > > > > > This new Crane paper looks a lot like Premier Art but I have't used
> > my > > > samples yet to do anything with. > > > > > > > > > John > > >
2005-10-07 by Richard Sintchak
Lulu's B&W on Matte paper is atrocious. Richard On 10/5/05, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote: > > Did you check out lulu.com <http://lulu.com/> or Apple's iPhoto books? > Mark > > On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Jerry Blanton wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only > > 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any > > experience using any of the online book printing services? The only > > one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have > > any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project > > and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very > > much appreciated. > > > > thanks > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-07 by Mark Savoia
I agree, although not THAT bad. It is very inexpensive, you get what you pay for. I did one, it gets the point across. Mark On Oct 7, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote: > Lulu's B&W on Matte paper is atrocious. > Richard > > On 10/5/05, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote: > > > > Did you check out lulu.com <http://lulu.com/> or Apple's iPhoto > books? > > Mark > > > > On Oct 5, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Jerry Blanton wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white > photos (only > > > 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any > > > experience using any of the online book printing services? The > only > > > one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone > have > > > any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale > project > > > and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very > > > much appreciated. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-11 by William Wilson
Hi All I'm looking for a recommendation for a remote profiling service (UK Based) to help improve my output on the Epson 9600 (I will buy a dedicated BO printer soon) any recommendations? William [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-12 by philh20
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Blanton" <jblanton@y...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am thinking about printing a book of my black and white photos (only > 5 copies) for my family and wondered if anyone here has had any > experience using any of the online book printing services? The only > one I've found that uses matte paper is sharedink.com... anyone have > any experience with them? Anyone ever done such a small scale project > and been happy with the results? Any tips or insight would be very > much appreciated. > > thanks > > Jerry > Hello, I've been lurking for a couple of weeks but thought I'd weigh in here as I've produced a few Apple iPhoto books. A) They originate in iPhoto which, to my knowledge, does not run on a PC. B) They are printed with screened separations into CMYK. In other words, under a loup, there is definately a rosette. C) The hardcover cloth-bound books are pretty nice. Decent enough to lay around on the coffee table showing off your recent trip to wherever. D) The binding on the one softcover book I did failed the first time opened. C) The little mini (2.75" x 3.75") "flip" books are really great for gifts but be mindful of having too many pages. (Minimum order: 3) D) The printing color space appears to be geared toward sRGB images as thats what most folks are going to get out of their digital cameras. I made the mistake of converting one books images to Adobe RGB in preparation for printing on an Epson 2200, forgot I had done that, sent them off for a book project and was disappointed with the results. E) To this groups purposes, I have not yet tried a black-and-white image in any of my projects but am no curious as to exactly how they'd separate and reproduce. Regards, Phil
2005-10-12 by Mark Savoia
Done several black and white ones and they look surprising good. Mark
On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:57 AM, philh20 wrote: > E) To this groups purposes, I have not yet tried a black-and-white > image in any of my > projects but am no curious as to exactly how they'd separate and > reproduce.