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Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

2005-11-11 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers

I don't know about the 2200 printer, but with the 4000, 7600, 9600 I have found Enhanced Matte to be one of the worse paper settings for our matte cotton papers. Smooth Fine Art, or even Watercolor RW work better (not blocking shadows) when printing profiling charts.  YMMV 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Moody 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:37 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max


  If anyone is thinking of sending color targets out for a custom Museo Max
  profile, you might want to discuss it with your service provider before
  printing them.
  On my 2200, using no ICM in the epson driver for enhanced matte with OEM
  inks looks good up to 68% then nosedives and is totally blocked up by 90%.
  It looks much better using color controls, and I will be looking for a
  compromise setting before printing any targets.

  The colors are wonderfully rich, saturated, and hold detail well, so I
  believe I'm going to really like this paper for color, as well as BW.

  Best regards,
  John Moody


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RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

2005-11-11 by John Moody

Thanks Diane,
With the epson driver, I tried no-ICM settings for Enhanced matte, Velvet
Fine Art, and Watercolor radiant white settings.  For all of those, it is
too much ink for optimum Dmax.

Best regards,
John Moody
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Diana
York~Hawk Mtn Papers
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

I don't know about the 2200 printer, but with the 4000, 7600, 9600 I have
found Enhanced Matte to be one of the worse paper settings for our matte
cotton papers. Smooth Fine Art, or even Watercolor RW work better (not
blocking shadows) when printing profiling charts.  YMMV
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Moody
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:37 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max


  If anyone is thinking of sending color targets out for a custom Museo Max
  profile, you might want to discuss it with your service provider before
  printing them.
  On my 2200, using no ICM in the epson driver for enhanced matte with OEM
  inks looks good up to 68% then nosedives and is totally blocked up by 90%.
  It looks much better using color controls, and I will be looking for a
  compromise setting before printing any targets.

  The colors are wonderfully rich, saturated, and hold detail well, so I
  believe I'm going to really like this paper for color, as well as BW.

  Best regards,
  John Moody


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Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

2005-11-12 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers

Are there any other settings available?
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Moody 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max


  Thanks Diane,
  With the epson driver, I tried no-ICM settings for Enhanced matte, Velvet
  Fine Art, and Watercolor radiant white settings.  For all of those, it is
  too much ink for optimum Dmax.


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RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

2005-11-12 by John Moody

Diana,
Yes, you can use color controls if you are willing to give up some of the
gamut.  It gives you some control over the ink load, providing output closer
to linear.  Most people however, are so fixated on gamut size, that is their
only goal.
I found that using the color control driver setting, Velvet fine art, gamma
2.2, brightness +2, on museo max results in good separation for
R,G,B,C,M,Y,K, without overinking, but the Dmax goes up to 1.63.  More
exploration may find a setting that gets closer to the 1.65 capability on my
printer.  If Epson offered an advanced driver with ink limits, and could be
linearized, now that would be something.....
I find that for images where maximum gamut is not the primary concern, a
profile based on a color control driver setting produces smoother output
results.  I usually make two profiles for each paper, one from the no-ICM
setting, which I use for very colorful images, and one using color controls
for where the former shows excessive posterization in the soft proof.  The
gamut capability of this paper seems to be similar to Hahnemuhle photo rag.
I'll have to try a few more things before having an opinion as to what seems
to work for me.  It's nice having so many good papers available now; more
than most of us have time to try.

Best regards,
John Moody
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Diana
York~Hawk Mtn Papers
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:52 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

Are there any other settings available?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Moody
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max


  Thanks Diane,
  With the epson driver, I tried no-ICM settings for Enhanced matte, Velvet
  Fine Art, and Watercolor radiant white settings.  For all of those, it is
  too much ink for optimum Dmax.




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RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

2005-11-12 by John Moody

Well, it does not seem to be a good solution for this paper.  The reds pinks
and yellows are not bad, but the greens and blues were severely reduced.

Best regards,
John Moody
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Moody
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:00 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

Diana,
Yes, you can use color controls if you are willing to give up some of the
gamut.  It gives you some control over the ink load, providing output closer
to linear.  Most people however, are so fixated on gamut size, that is their
only goal.
I found that using the color control driver setting, Velvet fine art, gamma
2.2, brightness +2, on museo max results in good separation for
R,G,B,C,M,Y,K, without overinking, but the Dmax goes up to 1.63.  More
exploration may find a setting that gets closer to the 1.65 capability on my
printer.  If Epson offered an advanced driver with ink limits, and could be
linearized, now that would be something.....
I find that for images where maximum gamut is not the primary concern, a
profile based on a color control driver setting produces smoother output
results.  I usually make two profiles for each paper, one from the no-ICM
setting, which I use for very colorful images, and one using color controls
for where the former shows excessive posterization in the soft proof.  The
gamut capability of this paper seems to be similar to Hahnemuhle photo rag.
I'll have to try a few more things before having an opinion as to what seems
to work for me.  It's nice having so many good papers available now; more
than most of us have time to try.

Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Diana
York~Hawk Mtn Papers
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:52 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

Are there any other settings available?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John Moody
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 5:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max





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Re: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max

2005-11-12 by Tyler Boley

John, hate to send you back to more testing, but I found the glossy film media setting 
invaluable for papers that require less ink. Depending on printer model of course, it may 
put down the least amount.
You are certainly correct about the need to let go of the concept of absolute maximum 
gamut under some circumstances to get the best performance.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" <moodymz3@y...> 
wrote:
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>
> Well, it does not seem to be a good solution for this paper.  The reds pinks
> and yellows are not bad, but the greens and blues were severely reduced.
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John Moody
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:00 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] (OT) Color profile for Museo Max
> 
> Diana,
> Yes, you can use color controls if you are willing to give up some of the
> gamut...

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