Digital BW, The Print

Yes, I think that's so--I have one of the original 1280's which is still going strong--and not too much problem with clogs, but I have not used pigmented inks (though I have considered for several years making it a dedicated b/w printer, but 'found' QTR instead).  I have used a 2200 for several years with pigmented inks and have had virtually NO problems--with pigmented inks, but its meant to use them.  

Diane

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Karafyllakis 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:45 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here


  Hi Mark;

  I totally sympathize with you re the 1280. The original beige 1280 
  did much better, the fancier looking 1280s sucked. But in fairness 
  to Epson, it was never intended to be run with pigment inks. As for 
  HP and Canon, you'll have the same problem unless you buy one of the 
  new 24" Canons that run pigments. It seems that of the current crop, 
  the 2400 is the only reliable 13" printer worth owning if you want 
  to print with pigment inks.

  Steve Karafyllakis



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ARE there "pigmented inks" from third parties for the 1280? I 
thought they were all non-pigment dyes...? 

For B&W is MIS the best bet, beauty-wise? Is MIS as reliable as 
Epson inks for the 1280? 

I came to the party late..my first printer was my 2200 (which has 
printed a few hundred images without a hiccup, sometimes without 
respectful turning-off for weeks at a time)....I've only used OEM 
pigments because I wanted total reliability... until some recent 
projects, most of my work has been color...

...because I got a 2200 first, I never paid attention to the 1280... 
but I may pick up a "new old stock" 1280 as a $100 bargain, for B&W 
only...

Is a new-condition 1280 capable of B&W work with QTR to rival 2200 
on paper such as Entrada? What's your opinion? 

From commentary I have the impression that 1280 is fine on soft 
papers, perhaps including Entrada...but I've not actually seen 
prints that were 1280 for sure....

IMO the name of the game is photography and prints, it's not 
bragging rights related to the hottest technical specs...

Djon





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields" 
<picnic@c...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I think that's so--I have one of the original 1280's which is 
still going strong--and not too much problem with clogs, but I have 
not used pigmented inks (though I have considered for several years 
making it a dedicated b/w printer, but 'found' QTR instead).  I have 
used a 2200 for several years with pigmented inks and have had 
virtually NO problems--with pigmented inks, but its meant to use 
them.  
> 
> Diane

I don't use my 1280 with QTR and Epson inks because it is not archival.  That's the partial reason, as I understand it, why others made their 1280's dedicated b/w printers using 3rd party inks.

Diane
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Diane B. Fields
picnic@...
photo site  http://www.pbase.com/picnic

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: djon43 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:19 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here


  ARE there "pigmented inks" from third parties for the 1280? I 
  thought they were all non-pigment dyes...? 

  For B&W is MIS the best bet, beauty-wise? Is MIS as reliable as 
  Epson inks for the 1280? 

  I came to the party late..my first printer was my 2200 (which has 
  printed a few hundred images without a hiccup, sometimes without 
  respectful turning-off for weeks at a time)....I've only used OEM 
  pigments because I wanted total reliability... until some recent 
  projects, most of my work has been color...

  ...because I got a 2200 first, I never paid attention to the 1280... 
  but I may pick up a "new old stock" 1280 as a $100 bargain, for B&W 
  only...

  Is a new-condition 1280 capable of B&W work with QTR to rival 2200 
  on paper such as Entrada? What's your opinion? 

  From commentary I have the impression that 1280 is fine on soft 
  papers, perhaps including Entrada...but I've not actually seen 
  prints that were 1280 for sure....

  IMO the name of the game is photography and prints, it's not 
  bragging rights related to the hottest technical specs...

  Djon




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Thought I would add a link for 3rd party  pigmented inks for 1280
http://www.inksupply.com/quadtone.cfm

  ARE there "pigmented inks" from third parties for the 1280? I 
  thought they were all non-pigment dyes...? 



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-----Original Message-----
Have used my dedicated B/W 1280 with MIS refillable carts and UT2 for more
than 2 years with minimal clogging.  No complaints.


Barbara Woolner

My 2 year experience is good, like Barbara's. First 1280 lasted 2 yrs
then developed clogging problems. I replaced it and this one has
lasted 2 years with no problems. Very economical. But this one has
developed a paper feed problem. So now I'm deciding if to tear it down
and see if I can fix it or buy a 2400. Decision is compounded by
having a great supply of 1280 ink and carts. 

I think the key is to know if you are really committed to digital
printing. If not, a 1280 is a good way to give it a try. They won't
hold back your print quality and you're not out much if you decide a
few years down the road to go in another direction. If you decide you
have a long term future in digital printing you may decide on a more
robust model. 

If you are one of those who attribute your lower quality prints to
your equipment rather than your own lack of personal skills, then get
a newer model so you don't feel inadequate. Epson and their marketing
channels have you in their crosshairs. 

Bob Michaels

ability--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara
Woolner" <bfwoolner@c...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Have used my dedicated B/W 1280 with MIS refillable carts and UT2
for more

> than 2 years with minimal clogging.  No complaints.
> 
> 
> Barbara Woolner
>

For all those who have a 1280 that works (unlike me), I have an MIS  
CIS and a new, nearly full UT-2 ink set (4  oz bottles) for sale...  
contact me off-list if interested. (I also have a 1280 whose waste  
ink tank is full of UT-2 ink, if you need one).

Harry, hsaddler@...