Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I'm thinking in load in my epson 2200 the epson K3 inks to see if I
get less mataterism. I think that light black will be the most
problematic ink.
For That I should be very gratefull if someone that own the 2200 and
the R2400 could tell me if thoses inks are the same.
Thanks

All the K3 inks are different except for the MK.

> From: copal01 <copal01@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:51:52 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Question about K3 epson inks
> 
> Hi,
> I'm thinking in load in my epson 2200 the epson K3 inks to see if I
> get less mataterism. I think that light black will be the most
> problematic ink.
> For That I should be very gratefull if someone that own the 2200 and
> the R2400 could tell me if thoses inks are the same.
> Thanks

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@...> wrote:
>
> All the K3 inks are different except for the MK.
> 

Steve, 

This is also valid for the 7800 and 9800 ? I wonder why MK is from the 
past generation, any idea ?

Olivier

Yes.  I guess they figured it didn't need updating or had nothing to offer.
Glossy/semi-gloss printing has been the problem child and was their focus of
attention this time around.

> From: Olivier <odesmais@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:25:57 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Question about K3 epson inks
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
> <stevekale@...> wrote:
>> 
>> All the K3 inks are different except for the MK.
>> 
> 
> Steve, 
> 
> This is also valid for the 7800 and 9800 ? I wonder why MK is from the
> past generation, any idea ?
> 
> Olivier
>

In a message dated 3/31/06 10:27:07 AM, odesmais@... writes:


> This is also valid for the 7800 and 9800 ? I wonder why MK is from the
> past generation, any idea ?
> 

Because it does not need to be reformulated to be more glossy... since its 
not used for glossy printing.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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> Because it does not need to be reformulated to be more glossy... 
since its 
> not used for glossy printing.
> 

Ok, valid. I was just in my mind referring to Piezo that just updated 
their black ink in K7. Or maybe not...

Olivier

I've been using K3 inks in one of my 2200s for B&W printing for a few
months now. I'm very pleased with the results. Now that I have a
PrintFix Pro for making profiles I'm trying my other 2200 with K3 inks
without the LLK for colour printing.

If you only want to do B&W printing then I believe that it is well
worth considering the use of K3 inks in a 2200. I use MK, PK, LK, LLK,
LC, Krystal Topkote and (recent change) diluted blue from the R800.

Best,
Helen

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01"
<copal01@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I'm thinking in load in my epson 2200 the epson K3 inks to see if I
> get less mataterism. I think that light black will be the most
> problematic ink.
> For That I should be very gratefull if someone that own the 2200 and
> the R2400 could tell me if thoses inks are the same.
> Thanks
>

Helen, what would be the most feasible way to use the K3 inks in a 7600 or a 9600?

Best

Steve

>
> I've been using K3 inks in one of my 2200s for B&W printing for a few
> months now. I'm very pleased with the results. Now that I have a
> PrintFix Pro for making profiles I'm trying my other 2200 with K3 inks
> without the LLK for colour printing.
> 
> If you only want to do B&W printing then I believe that it is well
> worth considering the use of K3 inks in a 2200. I use MK, PK, LK, LLK,
> LC, Krystal Topkote and (recent change) diluted blue from the R800.
> 
> Best,
> Helen
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01"
> <copal01@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm thinking in load in my epson 2200 the epson K3 inks to see if I
> > get less mataterism. I think that light black will be the most
> > problematic ink.
> > For That I should be very gratefull if someone that own the 2200 and
> > the R2400 could tell me if thoses inks are the same.
> > Thanks
> >
>

Thanks Helen,
I want to use for color and B&W. I should be very gratefull if you
could post more info about your results with color and B&W printing.
Best


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Bach"
<helenbach@...> wrote:

>
> I've been using K3 inks in one of my 2200s for B&W printing for a few
> months now. I'm very pleased with the results. Now that I have a
> PrintFix Pro for making profiles I'm trying my other 2200 with K3 inks
> without the LLK for colour printing.
> 
> If you only want to do B&W printing then I believe that it is well
> worth considering the use of K3 inks in a 2200. I use MK, PK, LK, LLK,
> LC, Krystal Topkote and (recent change) diluted blue from the R800.
> 
> Best,
> Helen
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01"
> <copal01@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm thinking in load in my epson 2200 the epson K3 inks to see if I
> > get less mataterism. I think that light black will be the most
> > problematic ink.
> > For That I should be very gratefull if someone that own the 2200 and
> > the R2400 could tell me if thoses inks are the same.
> > Thanks
> >
>

Hi Steve,

I don't have any experience of the wide format printers, but I'll
explain what I think is relevant.

For colour printing: I've only just started my tests, so I don't have
any recommendations yet.

For B&W printing: I wanted an ink set that would print matte and
glossy, and lay down varnish. That meant that there could be only two
toners. The other five 'inks' being MK, PK, LK, LLK and Krystal
Topkote. I used inks sucked out of 2400 carts to begin with, then from
4800 carts. I guess that you could just re-chip K3 carts with old
chips, reset (but that is a guess - they are the same physical form,
aren't they?. But: the only problem I see is that the ink flow was
greater than the printer thought it was - ie my cartridges ran out
faster than the printer thought they did. I used translucent carts, so
I could see the ink level. That would be an option with the 7600,
wouldn't it?

I tried LC, LM and R800 blue to begin with (leaving out the KT at the
toner trial stage) and found the R800 blue to be preferable to the LM.
So I swapped the LM for R800 red. I quite liked that for warm toned
prints, but I'm not a great fan of really warm tones (the warm-ish
tone of the black inks is about as far as I like to go) and one toner
had to go to make room for the KT. So I settled on the LC and blue.
Recently I decided that the blue dots were spoiling the smoothness of
the light tones, and switched to dilute blue (diluted with MIS base).
Of course that was after I had installed a bulk supply system.

For the 7600 I guess that LC and LM might be a better choice - though
the use of blue ink is slight, so the cost of the R800 ink isn't a
major problem.

I use IJC/OPM to print. I used to make profiles with a Macbeth TR924
but now I've switched to the PrintFix Pro, still via IJC of course.

Does this make sense?

Best,
Helen

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "smithphoto2000"
<photosmith@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, what would be the most feasible way to use the K3 inks in a
7600 or a 9600?

> 
> Best
> 
> Steve