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Fratzin-Ratzin 1160 black head clog....

Fratzin-Ratzin 1160 black head clog....

2002-01-13 by boyerwood

I have the Cone inks in my 1160.  I did the full start up with the 
flu$h cartridge and all.  Almost from the very beginning, my black 
head seemed to clog.  When I run a nozzle check...I get a dash here 
and there on the black line, and get perfect check on all three 
grays.  I have run the head cleaning over and over, I have done the 
Windex procedure...I have done the Windex procedure with 
Fantastic...I have even done the emergency, last ditch recommendation 
from Cone of removing the carts and using a syringe with a rubber 
tube attached...injected windex into the nipple of the black intake, 
and forcing windex through the head and then drawing it back out...  
I get the same nozzle check over and over.  I have even bought new 
Epson carts for it and run the cleaning over and over (the Epson inks 
are suppose to have a solvent in them)  NO CHANGE.  same nozzle check 
pattern.  Are the Cone inks the most prone to clog??  Should I just 
send my printer for service (new print head) and cringe at the repair 
bill (can't find a new 1160 to save your life)...  I like the Cone 
system and software...but geez....$$$$$ for all.  Their inks are 
pricey, and although I have over $300 in the software, it does me no 
good if all the ink does is clog my printer.  Are there any dye based 
inks that are quadtone??  Is there any rumor Epson will produce quad 
sets for their printers?  I own a 1160, 860, and 1270.  I don't want 
to put the carts in my 860 and have it be ruined too...it's my day to 
day printer...  I am ready to go MIS if there is less clog 
problem..it is frustrating to the extreme...  Thanks...Steve

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Fratzin-Ratzin (correction...)

2002-01-13 by Tim Atherton

was not fratzin-ratzin the corect term from snoopy and the red baron?
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> The proper term is "ratchin-kratchin".
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> Scooby-Doo, circa 1978...
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[Digital BW] Re: Fratzin-Ratzin (correction...)

2002-01-13 by marktuckerdotcom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ternahan 
<ternahan@s...> wrote:
> or was it Natasha and Boris?


Good point. I think you're right. This is all I could find:

http://www.cartoonsounds.com/rbwav1.cfm

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Fratzin-Ratzin (correction...)

2002-01-13 by ternahan

way COOL! Thanks!
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>> or was it Natasha and Boris?
> 
> 
> Good point. I think you're right. This is all I could find:
> 
> http://www.cartoonsounds.com/rbwav1.cfm

Re: Fratzin-Ratzin 1160 black head clog....

2002-01-13 by tomoc

Steve

I installed piezo and after a week had the clog of death problem. I 
did all the things you did with pretty much the same result. As a 
last ditch I put cleaning carts in and ran the &^%$ out of them... 
Left them in for over a week, running them with clean and nozzle 
checks maybe once a day or on the odd day. I put the epson carts back 
in and ran some purges and nozzle checks and it finally cleared.

Once I put the MIS inks in, all my problems went away... I ran them 
for about four sets of carts (FS) and then put in a CIS system and 
haven't had a single problem after about a month so far. I use the FS 
inks on the piezo system (mostly <g>).

I don't really know if this is all from the piezo ink or the epson (I 
had a little problem getting Lyson sg ink to work in a reconditioned 
1160, but it, too, finally just started working fine). I think the 
CIS system is better than carts. I'm SURE that using the printer a 
lot improves the clarity. I'm still frustrated that piezo ink 
wouldn't work, but the MIS FS and VM with Paul Roark curves makes 
prints that are excellent (I really didn't make enough with piezo to 
have a direct comparison).

Persistence and patience will work, I think...don't be afraid to soak 
it and let it sit.

Good luck,

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@y...
www.thomasoconnell.com
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "boyerwood" 
<boyerwood@a...> wrote:
> I have the Cone inks in my 1160.  I did the full start up with the 
> flu$h cartridge and all.  Almost from the very beginning, my black 
> head seemed to clog.  When I run a nozzle check...I get a dash here 
> and there on the black line, and get perfect check on all three 
> grays.  I have run the head cleaning over and over, I have done the 
> Windex procedure...I have done the Windex procedure with 
> Fantastic...I have even done the emergency, last ditch 
recommendation 
> from Cone of removing the carts and using a syringe with a rubber 
> tube attached...injected windex into the nipple of the black 
intake, 
> and forcing windex through the head and then drawing it back 
out...  
> I get the same nozzle check over and over.  I have even bought new 
> Epson carts for it and run the cleaning over and over (the Epson 
inks 
> are suppose to have a solvent in them)  NO CHANGE.  same nozzle 
check 
> pattern.  Are the Cone inks the most prone to clog??  Should I just 
> send my printer for service (new print head) and cringe at the 
repair 
> bill (can't find a new 1160 to save your life)...  I like the Cone 
> system and software...but geez....$$$$$ for all.  Their inks are 
> pricey, and although I have over $300 in the software, it does me 
no 
> good if all the ink does is clog my printer.  Are there any dye 
based 
> inks that are quadtone??  Is there any rumor Epson will produce 
quad 
> sets for their printers?  I own a 1160, 860, and 1270.  I don't 
want 
> to put the carts in my 860 and have it be ruined too...it's my day 
to 
> day printer...  I am ready to go MIS if there is less clog 
> problem..it is frustrating to the extreme...  Thanks...Steve

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Fratzin-Ratzin (correction...)

2002-01-13 by Tim Atherton

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ternahan
> <ternahan@s...> wrote:
> > or was it Natasha and Boris?
>
>
> Good point. I think you're right. This is all I could find:
>
> http://www.cartoonsounds.com/rbwav1.cfm

Ah yes, but we never got Natasha and Boris in the UK when I was a kid.. we
did get Snoopy and the Red Baron. Maybe this only occured in the
British/English version as opposed to the US/English version.... The same
way Bob the Builder has now lost his accent in coming to N. America...  :-)

Re: Fratzin-Ratzin 1160 black head clog....

2002-01-14 by boyerwood

Thanks so much for the info.  I have cleaned, purged, changed, 
squirted, cussed, sucked, blown, sprayed, cycled...you name 
it....spent megabucks and have a useless machine right now.  This was 
a NEW printer bought especially for the cone inks!  The software 
costs were outrageous.  I went with the cone system for the WYSIWYG, 
but now see that was not worth 300 bucks.  The actual print driver 
was not very versital...of course there is a new version...but 70 
bucks to upgrade!!  when I had just shelled out 300??  Needless to 
say I have not had to kick myself twice.  I will try to get my black 
head cleared and go MIS.  The folks at cone have been nice...I have 
no complaint about that. 
Thanks again...
> Steve
> 
> I installed piezo and after a week had the clog of death problem. I 
> did all the things you did with pretty much the same result. As a 
> last ditch I put cleaning carts in and ran the &^%$ out of them... 
> Left them in for over a week, running them with clean and nozzle 
> checks maybe once a day or on the odd day. I put the epson carts 
back 
> in and ran some purges and nozzle checks and it finally cleared.
> 
> Once I put the MIS inks in, all my problems went away... I ran them 
> for about four sets of carts (FS) and then put in a CIS system and 
> haven't had a single problem after about a month so far. I use the 
FS 
> inks on the piezo system (mostly <g>).
> 
> I don't really know if this is all from the piezo ink or the epson 
(I 
> had a little problem getting Lyson sg ink to work in a 
reconditioned 
> 1160, but it, too, finally just started working fine). I think the 
> CIS system is better than carts. I'm SURE that using the printer a 
> lot improves the clarity. I'm still frustrated that piezo ink 
> wouldn't work, but the MIS FS and VM with Paul Roark curves makes 
> prints that are excellent (I really didn't make enough with piezo 
to 
> have a direct comparison).
> 
> Persistence and patience will work, I think...don't be afraid to 
soak 
> it and let it sit.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> TomOC@y...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "boyerwood" 
> <boyerwood@a...> wrote:
> > I have the Cone inks in my 1160.  I did the full start up with 
the 
> > flu$h cartridge and all.  Almost from the very beginning, my 
black 
> > head seemed to clog.  When I run a nozzle check...I get a dash 
here 
> > and there on the black line, and get perfect check on all three 
> > grays.  I have run the head cleaning over and over, I have done 
the 
> > Windex procedure...I have done the Windex procedure with 
> > Fantastic...I have even done the emergency, last ditch 
> recommendation 
> > from Cone of removing the carts and using a syringe with a rubber 
> > tube attached...injected windex into the nipple of the black 
> intake, 
> > and forcing windex through the head and then drawing it back 
> out...  
> > I get the same nozzle check over and over.  I have even bought 
new 
> > Epson carts for it and run the cleaning over and over (the Epson 
> inks 
> > are suppose to have a solvent in them)  NO CHANGE.  same nozzle 
> check 
> > pattern.  Are the Cone inks the most prone to clog??  Should I 
just 
> > send my printer for service (new print head) and cringe at the 
> repair 
> > bill (can't find a new 1160 to save your life)...  I like the 
Cone 
> > system and software...but geez....$$$$$ for all.  Their inks are 
> > pricey, and although I have over $300 in the software, it does me 
> no 
> > good if all the ink does is clog my printer.  Are there any dye 
> based 
> > inks that are quadtone??  Is there any rumor Epson will produce 
> quad 
> > sets for their printers?  I own a 1160, 860, and 1270.  I don't 
> want 
> > to put the carts in my 860 and have it be ruined too...it's my 
day 
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> to 
> > day printer...  I am ready to go MIS if there is less clog 
> > problem..it is frustrating to the extreme...  Thanks...Steve

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