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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!

Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!

2006-08-30 by Walt Mucha

Lyson has never been very good in the customer service dept. in fact I don't think they actually have one IMHO. You might want to try MIS inks. I've used them in the past and never had any QC problems. Another solution, although costly at first, is to get a refurb 2200 from Epson and use a program called Quadtone rip, $50 and worth every penny. The increased speed with the 2200 will replace both 2000's and you can print color with the same carts. Taking it about $300 further will get you a 2400 with three blacks. Superb for color or b&w work and no need for a rip.

Walt
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: David H. Miller [mailto:daveinmoscow@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:22 AM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m
>Subject: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!
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>I've been trying to get this to work and haven't gotten any help from
>Lyson...too busy with a corporate merger to bother with customers,
>perhaps?  This has been going on for nearly 3 months as I gave up and
>waited for them to respond for too long, but that guy got fired....
>
>Anyone have any experience with it?
>
>I'm using an Epson 2000P, two of them in fact as I want to dedicate
>one to black and white only and improve on BO with Epson inks if
>possible (right now I doubt it...), and have had the same problem with
>both.  Both work beautifully with Epson inks...so it's not the
>printer, heads, or the like.  Also get perfect nozzle checks, target
>prints, etc.
>
>Here's the issue.  I get a strong blue cast when printing.  If I
>reduce the end point for the blue ink, the color cast is reduced. 
>Turn it off and I get a very poor warm print, blue is, of course,
>gone.  Reduce it to a low level, just a bit of blue.
>
>When I use the profiles supplied the problem is the same.  When I
>built my own profile for Museo Silver Rag, same problem, especially in
>the light shadows.
>
>It appears to me that there is a blue ink in the third position in my
>cartridges where there should be a very lt. grey, which appears to be
>in the 5th position.  Is this possible?  Studying the graphs of ink
>outputs in Profile Creator, it appears that the third ink should be
>putting down a nice lt grey, added to with the second and finished
>with the pure black.  But there's blue instead.
>
>Anyone have any information on this kind of problem?  My guess is
>defective color cartridges but I don't know.
>
>Dave
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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!

2006-08-30 by john dean

Walt is correct. An involvement with Lyson is a long lonely
unsatisfying trip to nowhere. There are too many good solutions
available to use now. Lyson is in the past, and a distant one at that.

John



 BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!
> >
> >I've been trying to get this to work and haven't gotten any help from
> >Lyson...too busy with a corporate merger to bother with customers,
> >perhaps?  This has been going on for nearly 3 months as I gave up and
> >waited for them to respond for too long, but that guy got fired....
> >
> >Anyone have any experience with it?
> >
> >I'm using an Epson 2000P, two of them in fact as I want to dedicate
> >one to black and white only and improve on BO with Epson inks if
> >possible (right now I doubt it...), and have had the same problem with
> >both.  Both work beautifully with Epson inks...so it's not the
> >printer, heads, or the like.  Also get perfect nozzle checks, target
> >prints, etc.
> >
> >Here's the issue.  I get a strong blue cast when printing.  If I
> >reduce the end point for the blue ink, the color cast is reduced. 
> >Turn it off and I get a very poor warm print, blue is, of course,
> >gone.  Reduce it to a low level, just a bit of blue.
> >
> >When I use the profiles supplied the problem is the same.  When I
> >built my own profile for Museo Silver Rag, same problem, especially in
> >the light shadows.
> >
> >It appears to me that there is a blue ink in the third position in my
> >cartridges where there should be a very lt. grey, which appears to be
> >in the 5th position.  Is this possible?  Studying the graphs of ink
> >outputs in Profile Creator, it appears that the third ink should be
> >putting down a nice lt grey, added to with the second and finished
> >with the pure black.  But there's blue instead.
> >
> >Anyone have any information on this kind of problem?  My guess is
> >defective color cartridges but I don't know.
> >
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flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from
the membership without notice.
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B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
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YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD
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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!

2006-08-30 by Brian Ellis

"I've been trying to get this to work and haven't gotten any help from
Lyson . . ."

Sorry I can't help except to say that Lyson is well known for its customer 
non-service so you don't need to waste any more time trying to get help from 
them.
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From: "David H. Miller" <daveinmoscow@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!


I've been trying to get this to work and haven't gotten any help from
Lyson...too busy with a corporate merger to bother with customers,
perhaps?  This has been going on for nearly 3 months as I gave up and
waited for them to respond for too long, but that guy got fired....

Anyone have any experience with it?

I'm using an Epson 2000P, two of them in fact as I want to dedicate
one to black and white only and improve on BO with Epson inks if
possible (right now I doubt it...), and have had the same problem with
both.  Both work beautifully with Epson inks...so it's not the
printer, heads, or the like.  Also get perfect nozzle checks, target
prints, etc.

Here's the issue.  I get a strong blue cast when printing.  If I
reduce the end point for the blue ink, the color cast is reduced.
Turn it off and I get a very poor warm print, blue is, of course,
gone.  Reduce it to a low level, just a bit of blue.

When I use the profiles supplied the problem is the same.  When I
built my own profile for Museo Silver Rag, same problem, especially in
the light shadows.

It appears to me that there is a blue ink in the third position in my
cartridges where there should be a very lt. grey, which appears to be
in the 5th position.  Is this possible?  Studying the graphs of ink
outputs in Profile Creator, it appears that the third ink should be
putting down a nice lt grey, added to with the second and finished
with the pure black.  But there's blue instead.

Anyone have any information on this kind of problem?  My guess is
defective color cartridges but I don't know.

Dave






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membership without notice.
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printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from 
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Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
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YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND 
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU 
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY 
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, 
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND 
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY 
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!

2006-08-30 by AWStolzing@aol.com

I think we can happily ignore Lyson. Just avoid them for the sake of your  
photographic achievements.


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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Daylight Darkroom-Help!

2006-08-30 by Clayton Jones

Hello John,

>...a long lonely unsatisfying trip to nowhere. 

Wow!  That's one of the most descriptive phrases I'ver read in a long
time.  Very nice piece of wordsmithing.  I'll have to remember that
one and pull it out at some appropriate moment <g>.


Regards,
Clayton


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