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Re: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

Re: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-03 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 9/24/06 11:19:03 PM, dlruckus@... writes:


> It's hard to argue with the concept that only the best is good enough.
> 
There is certainly peer pressure in that direction, but there is also the 
value of impact. At Photokina I had a 3 foot by 5 foot B&W image printed with the 
HP Z3100, through a PrintFIX PRO 2.0 profile on Entrada Natural paper hanging 
from the printer, facing the aisles on one corner of the booth. It was 
interesting to watch the faces of people as they approached that print. The image 
had a wide range of gray levels, that ran smoothly and neutrally up to paper 
white. I really don't think people would have been that entranced by a less 
neutral, less even, less linear, less creamy print from an earlier generation 
inkjet. All day long people approached me asking if they could buy that print; I 
found that telling, as the usual request at shows is for prints for free, but 
people didn't assume (even though it had come out of an inkjet printer, which to 
many equates to being a cheap, low cost reproduction) that a copy of that was 
a giveaway. Size was a factor, but the impact of that level of B&W print 
quality was key.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-04 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 10/3/06 10:57:31 PM, dlruckus@... writes:


> My thought is that the out take was
> CD's way of segueing into a pitch for the latest and greatest. Clever
> promotion.
> 
Fair enough, and I'm certainly a sucker for the latest and greatest. But I 
sincerely believe that much of the impact of that image would not have been 
there if I had shot it with an earlier generation of digital camera, rather than a 
Canon full format sensor, and an L series lens, and had processed it with an 
earlier form of software, rather than a current RAW convertor, on an earlier 
generation of monitor, with older calibration, rather than a Cinema Display and 
Spyder2PRO, and most directly to the point, if I had printed it on an earlier 
generation inkjet, rather than a Z3100 through a PrintFIX PRO 2.0 profile.

> 
> Nothing wrong with the latest and greatest from my perspective---but,
> I suspect that most of those walking the halls of great museums know
> easily what they like and are impressed by, and few beyond scholars
> and artists disect the techniques and tools used.
> 
> If you would like to move back to analog, I agree that a good 8x10 shot, 
> printed at the same size, could easily have stopped the crowd walking by, but 
> that would have been quite a feat to shoot on a floating dock, and to print at 
> 3x5 foot size; and I certainly couldn't have done it in an hour, on the show 
> floor.
> 
> CD's target audience was and is already predisposed toward the new,
> but the print he mentioned must have been impressive enough on it's
> own to make people want it. I doubt greatly that a nothing ho..hum
> content would have drawn much aclaim, irrespective of technical print
> quality.
> Otherwise all would have been saying "man.I want that machine" rather
> than "I want that print".
> 
Absolutely agreed that a good image is still central, whatever the medium 
(otherwise, whats it all for?) And the image I mentioned certainly won my own 
informal popularity test, in that it was the "most stolen" image at the 
ColorVision booth. I had a hard time printing copies of it fast enough to have one left 
in the light box when I needed it. All over Europe there are now images of 
Southwest Harbor Maine, which people there are assuming are Scotland, or 
Scandinavia... 


> CD is a great contributer of his knowledge to this and other groups
> but his recompense is to gain a platform.
> 
Its more complex than that. I contribute, but I also I learn from the groups, 
and I find out from them what people are interested in, what they need, what 
they want. Then I try to find ways to meet those needs in the products I 
develop. And when, after months of not talking about products under development, I 
finally get to tell people about them, I'm sure I am overly enthusiastic about 
it. Soon enough it will be testers that are posting about PrintFIX PRO 2.0 
instead of me, and I can settle into a more comfortable position of answering 
their questions, not whipping up my own posts from scratch.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-04 by dlruckus

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
Also fair enough. No issue with your posts. Just was amused at the
quote removed from it's context.
Best wishes on your products.

Regards
Duane




>  And when, after months of not talking about products under
development, I 
> finally get to tell people about them, I'm sure I am overly
enthusiastic about 
> it. Soon enough it will be testers that are posting about PrintFIX
PRO 2.0 
> instead of me, and I can settle into a more comfortable position of
answering 
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> their questions, not whipping up my own posts from scratch.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-05 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 10/4/06 4:37:27 PM, dlruckus@... writes:


> Also fair enough. No issue with your posts. Just was amused at the
> quote removed from it's context.
> 

We all respond to the parts of a post that interest us; I'm often amused by a 
first time poster setting off a long series of threads on various subjects, 
without anyone actually attempting to answer the original question. How useless 
we must look to the poor newbie...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-05 by Mark Savoia

Ya, how about those Yankees?
:)
Mark

On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:20 AM, CDTobie@... wrote:

> We all respond to the parts of a post that interest us; I'm often  
> amused by a
> first time poster setting off a long series of threads on various  
> subjects,
> without anyone actually attempting to answer the original question.  
> How useless
> we must look to the poor newbie...



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-05 by Eric Neilsen Photo

You mean one that is actually good through others eyes as well as there own
;  ) 

 

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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A good negative or a good digtial captured file, that's what.(It
doesn't hurt to have a good photographer too). Oh, and how rare that
is these days.

 



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Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???

2006-10-06 by dlruckus

You might have to be dead before that happens. Not much fun in that^:[

Duane





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen
Photo " <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
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> You mean one that is actually good through others eyes as well as
there own
> ;  ) 
> 
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> Eric Neilsen Photography
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> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
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> Dallas, TX 75226
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> 214-827-8301
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> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
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> Skype : ejprinter
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>   _____  
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
john dean
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> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What Makes a Good Digital B&W Print???
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> A good negative or a good digtial captured file, that's what.(It
> doesn't hurt to have a good photographer too). Oh, and how rare that
> is these days.
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