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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-02 by alan_kearney@sbcglobal.net

How's there old swiss paper packaged? It's 100 miles to Costco for me so I'd like to know what to look for when I get there.

Thanks, Alan
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mehrdad 
  To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:24 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing


  it looks like costco is phasing out the swiss paper in favor of a us
  made 10.4 mil glossy paper. i like the old paper so much that i bought
  all of their reminging stock from the one close to my house.

  when someone tries the new one, please report back
  -------------------------------------
  regards, mehrdad


   

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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-02 by mehrdad

the swiss made version is 125 per pack and the new usa version is 150, also
on the back of thr swiss made one says made in swiss where as the new 150
pack says made in usa.

On 11/1/06, alan_kearney@... <alan_kearney@...> wrote:
>
> How's there old swiss paper packaged? It's 100 miles to Costco for me so
> I'd like to know what to look for when I get there.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mehrdad
> To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com<digitalblackandwhitetheprint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:24 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>
> it looks like costco is phasing out the swiss paper in favor of a us
> made 10.4 mil glossy paper. i like the old paper so much that i bought
> all of their reminging stock from the one close to my house.
>
> when someone tries the new one, please report back
> -------------------------------------
> regards, mehrdad
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>



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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-02 by Walt Mucha

I've never tried the Swiss paper, but, I just got a pack of the USA kind and it's fine. Profiles well and I like the weight.

Walt
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 02:00 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>
>How's there old swiss paper packaged? It's 100 miles to Costco for me so I'd like to know what to look for when I get there.
>
>Thanks, Alan
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: mehrdad 
>  To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:24 PM
>  Subject: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
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>
>  it looks like costco is phasing out the swiss paper in favor of a us
>  made 10.4 mil glossy paper. i like the old paper so much that i bought
>  all of their reminging stock from the one close to my house.
>
>  when someone tries the new one, please report back
>  -------------------------------------
>  regards, mehrdad
>
>
>   
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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-03 by Un Globe Trotteur

Thanks, I bought a few packs of the 125 sheets. they already started storing 
the new US kind. I use it for diginegs and did not want to have to redi my 
curve for a thicker paper.
Sincerely,
PO
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From: "mehrdad" <msadat@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing


it looks like costco is phasing out the swiss paper in favor of a us
made 10.4 mil glossy paper. i like the old paper so much that i bought
all of their reminging stock from the one close to my house.

when someone tries the new one, please report back
  -------------------------------------
  regards, mehrdad


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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-03 by scott_now_coming

Any idea if the "USA paper" is acid free?

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
<wkm@...> wrote:
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> I've never tried the Swiss paper, but, I just got a pack of the USA 
kind and it's fine. Profiles well and I like the weight.
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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Tom Baker

Maybe Paul Roark can tell us.
   
  Tom Baker
  

scott_now_coming <scott_now_coming@...> wrote:
          Any idea if the "USA paper" is acid free?

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
<wkm@...> wrote:
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> I've never tried the Swiss paper, but, I just got a pack of the USA 
kind and it's fine. Profiles well and I like the weight.
> 
> Walt
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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Walt Mucha

I doubt it. Nothing on the package to indicate that and since it's a potential selling point I would think if it was, the packaing would indicate it

Walt
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>Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 01:45 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
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>Any idea if the "USA paper" is acid free?
>
>Scott
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>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
><wkm@...> wrote:
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>> I've never tried the Swiss paper, but, I just got a pack of the USA 
>kind and it's fine. Profiles well and I like the weight.
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>> Walt
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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Tom Baker

The old stuff doesn't say acid free either.  But, according to Paul, it is.  So, maybe Paul can check.
   
  Tom Baker

Walt Mucha <wkm@...z> wrote:
          I doubt it. Nothing on the package to indicate that and since it's a potential selling point I would think if it was, the packaing would indicate it

Walt

>-----Original Message-----
>From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@...]
>Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 01:45 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>
>Any idea if the "USA paper" is acid free?
>
>Scott
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
><wkm@...> wrote:
>>
>> I've never tried the Swiss paper, but, I just got a pack of the USA 
>kind and it's fine. Profiles well and I like the weight.
>> 
>> Walt
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RE: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Paul Roark

I don't have any of the US Kirkland.  The Swiss if relatively neutral.  I
can't be sure if it is sufficiently buffered to be "archival," but it's
better than most glossy papers.

 

Paul

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Maybe Paul Roark can tell us.

Tom Baker


scott_now_coming <scott_now_coming@ <mailto:scott_now_coming%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com> wrote:
Any idea if the "USA paper" is acid free?

Scott

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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
<wkm@...> wrote:
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> I've never tried the Swiss paper, but, I just got a pack of the USA 
kind and it's fine. Profiles well and I like the weight.
> 
> Walt
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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Walt Mucha

I think there's a big difference between acid neutral and acid free. Acidic neutrality is achieved by adding buffers that, over time, lose their effectiveness and the paper once again becomes acidic. This is not the case for acid free, although over time, with exposure to an acidic enviorement, acid free paper will also deteriorate. Acid neutral paper uses a wood fiber componant and acid is used to break down the fibers, whereas, acid free is generally made from cotton rag fibers and acid is not used to break down the fibers when making archival papers. While Kirkland papers may be acid neutral I seriously doubt they are acid free and I would not consider them as archival.

Walt
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>From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
>Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 04:01 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>
>I don't have any of the US Kirkland.  The Swiss if relatively neutral.  I
>can't be sure if it is sufficiently buffered to be "archival," but it's
>better than most glossy papers.
>
> 
>
>Paul
>
>www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
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Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Tom Baker

Whatever.  It's a good bang for the buck. At the Swiss made stuff is.  We'll see about the US made.
   
  Tom Baker

Walt Mucha <wkm@...> wrote:
          I think there's a big difference between acid neutral and acid free. Acidic neutrality is achieved by adding buffers that, over time, lose their effectiveness and the paper once again becomes acidic. This is not the case for acid free, although over time, with exposure to an acidic enviorement, acid free paper will also deteriorate. Acid neutral paper uses a wood fiber componant and acid is used to break down the fibers, whereas, acid free is generally made from cotton rag fibers and acid is not used to break down the fibers when making archival papers. While Kirkland papers may be acid neutral I seriously doubt they are acid free and I would not consider them as archival.

Walt

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
>Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 04:01 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>
>I don't have any of the US Kirkland. The Swiss if relatively neutral. I
>can't be sure if it is sufficiently buffered to be "archival," but it's
>better than most glossy papers.
>
> 
>
>Paul
>
>www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> 
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RE: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Paul Roark

>Whatever. It's a good bang for the buck. ...

Yes, that we can mostly agree on. 

>I think there's a big difference between acid neutral and acid free.

I'd rather have acid free, but a well-processed alpha cellulose paper may
still have a tiny residual of lignin (the main "acid reserve" in otherwise
well-processed wood-based papers) and also have enough buffer to offset that
lignin "forever" (well long enough, anyway).

> Acidic neutrality is achieved by adding buffers that, over time, 
> lose their effectiveness and the paper once again becomes acidic.

It's a matter of degree, apparently.  The numbers I've heard are that the
paper must have less than 1% lignin and more than 2% buffering.  Assuming
this is true and a valid standard, there is no way to easily measure the
amounts of each.

> This is not the case for acid free, although over time, with 
> exposure to an acidic environment, acid free paper will also 
> deteriorate.

Yes, the best is an acid free (cotton) paper which is also buffered.

> Acid neutral paper uses a wood fiber component and acid is 
> used to break down the fibers,

I think there are acid-free processes for wood paper, but even if there are,
if the lignin is not totally removed there will be acids produced by the
lignin as it oxidizes.

> whereas, acid free is generally made from cotton rag fibers and 
> acid is not used to break down the fibers when making archival papers. 

Cotton is apparently almost pure cellulose, which is "acid free."  Cellulose
is said to be the largest single component of the biosphere.  Number 2,
however, is lignin, which is the stuff that allows trees to stand up
straight.

>While Kirkland papers may be acid neutral I seriously doubt 
>they are acid free

I assume they use wood-based paper (as do some very good papers, including
good wet process darkroom papers).

> and I would not consider them as archival.

The best we can do cheaply is test the current acidity.  Sadly, this does
not tell us the percentages.  Some outfits will tell you whether their paper
meets the 1%/2% criteria, in part because it may be important for large
purchasers like governments and businesses that want their files to last.  I
wonder if Costco would respond to the question.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing

2006-11-04 by Walt Mucha

I really like the paper and you can't beat the price that's for sure. I'm 62 and I figure it will outlast me and that's good enough.

Walt
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>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re:  [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>
>Whatever.  It's a good bang for the buck. At the Swiss made stuff is.  We'll see about the US made.
>   
>  Tom Baker
>
>Walt Mucha <wkm@...> wrote:
>          I think there's a big difference between acid neutral and acid free. Acidic neutrality is achieved by adding buffers that, over time, lose their effectiveness and the paper once again becomes acidic. This is not the case for acid free, although over time, with exposure to an acidic enviorement, acid free paper will also deteriorate. Acid neutral paper uses a wood fiber componant and acid is used to break down the fibers, whereas, acid free is generally made from cotton rag fibers and acid is not used to break down the fibers when making archival papers. While Kirkland papers may be acid neutral I seriously doubt they are acid free and I would not consider them as archival.
>
>Walt
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
>>Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 04:01 PM
>>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: RE: [Digital BW] costco paper is changing
>>
>>I don't have any of the US Kirkland. The Swiss if relatively neutral. I
>>can't be sure if it is sufficiently buffered to be "archival," but it's
>>better than most glossy papers.
>>
>> 
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> 
>>
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New Gloss Optimizer from MIS

2006-11-04 by Daniel Staver

I just received a new bottle of glop from MIS. The new one is almost clear,
while the old one I had was tea coloured. I'm using a CIS, can they be mixed
or should I drain out old the old GLOP before putting in the new one? 

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

RE: [Digital BW] New Gloss Optimizer from MIS

2006-11-04 by John Moody

Do they smell different?

Best regards,
John Moody
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Subject: [Digital BW] New Gloss Optimizer from MIS

I just received a new bottle of glop from MIS. The new one is almost clear,
while the old one I had was tea coloured. I'm using a CIS, can they be mixed
or should I drain out old the old GLOP before putting in the new one?

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RE: [Digital BW] New Gloss Optimizer from MIS

2006-11-04 by Daniel Staver

> Do they smell different?

I don't know. The CIS is almost running out of glop anyway, and I don't have
anything left in bottles. There's probably half a cartridge left. I don't
want to remove the cartridges and suck out glop to smell it unless
neccessary. I was hoping to just add the new glop.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

RE: [Digital BW] New Gloss Optimizer from MIS

2006-11-04 by Paul Roark

Daniel,

>I just received a new bottle of glop from MIS. The new one is 
>almost clear, while the old one I had was tea coloured. 

That sounds like the comparison of my old MIS glop (looks like dark beer)
and the Glop Greg sent from Image Specialists (looks like light beer).  MIS
is probably using IS Glop.  IS appears to recommend it as a dilution base.
My experiments with Greg's sample is consistent with this.

>I'm using a CIS, can they be mixed
>or should I drain out old the old GLOP before putting in the new one? 

It can probably be mixed, but I don't have that from any authoritative
source.  I know of no ink changes by MIS that have resulted in
incompatibility issues.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] New Gloss Optimizer from MIS

2006-11-04 by Greg

Since I haven't used the old stuff, I can't make a recommendation
either. If you want to be completely safe, flushing out that "color"
with a cleaning fluid would be the safest thing to do.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.