Digital BW, The Print

I've just picked up an Epson product catalogue - for 'Archival Matte Paper' as they still call it in New Zealand up to A3+ size, they say:

"Used Exclusively with Epson Pigment Inks, this media gives unsurpassed archival longevity."

Yeah, right. Someone should bring them into line - if this isn't misleading advertising I don't know what is.

Richard
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Richard Smallfield wrote:
> I've just picked up an Epson product catalogue - for 'Archival Matte Paper' as they still call it in New Zealand up to A3+ size, they say:
> 
> "Used Exclusively with Epson Pigment Inks, this media gives unsurpassed archival longevity."
> 
> Yeah, right. Someone should bring them into line - if this isn't misleading advertising I don't know what is.
> 
> Richard


Wasn't that claim used in the past in the US and dropped later 
on as results showed the paper changed color ?
Could be that Epson counts on the fact that in NZ time runs 
slower :-)


Met vriendelijke groeten,Ernst


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We sue companies that make outrageous claims like that.  When I was at the
U.S. Federal Trade Commission I would have loved to nail Epson on that
claim.  The U.S. is often accused of having too many lawyers, but that's
often by the companies that would rather compete via false advertising than
on the basis of price and quality.  Write to newspapers and government
agencies and educate the people.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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Dinkla
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Richard Smallfield wrote:
> I've just picked up an Epson product catalogue - for 'Archival Matte
Paper' as they still call it in New Zealand up to A3+ size, they say:
> 
> "Used Exclusively with Epson Pigment Inks, this media gives unsurpassed
archival longevity."
> 
> Yeah, right. Someone should bring them into line - if this isn't
misleading advertising I don't know what is.
> 
> Richard

Wasn't that claim used in the past in the US and dropped later 
on as results showed the paper changed color ?
Could be that Epson counts on the fact that in NZ time runs 
slower :-)

Met vriendelijke groeten,Ernst

| Dinkla Grafische Techniek |
| www.pigment-print.com |
| ( unvollendet ) |

 



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There is almost always small print when a claim like this is made.usually
stating that print must be placed under glass, out of direct light, etc.And
all they really said is that the paper gives "unsurpassed archival
longevity", which only means better than any other paper at the time it was
written, which may or may not be true. However, again it's all in the small
print. Usually there is something that covers their ass.
 
Bob 

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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Roark
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:26 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Unbelievable advertising from Epson
 
We sue companies that make outrageous claims like that. When I was at the
U.S. Federal Trade Commission I would have loved to nail Epson on that
claim. The U.S. is often accused of having too many lawyers, but that's
often by the companies that would rather compete via false advertising than
on the basis of price and quality. Write to newspapers and government
agencies and educate the people.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> 

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Dinkla
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Unbelievable advertising from Epson

Richard Smallfield wrote:
> I've just picked up an Epson product catalogue - for 'Archival Matte
Paper' as they still call it in New Zealand up to A3+ size, they say:
> 
> "Used Exclusively with Epson Pigment Inks, this media gives unsurpassed
archival longevity."
> 
> Yeah, right. Someone should bring them into line - if this isn't
misleading advertising I don't know what is.
> 
> Richard

Wasn't that claim used in the past in the US and dropped later 
on as results showed the paper changed color ?
Could be that Epson counts on the fact that in NZ time runs 
slower :-)

Met vriendelijke groeten,Ernst

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| www.pigment-print.com |
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Actually, NZ time runs faster.  It is tomorrow there today.  When I visited NZ in 2003, I arrived on the same day, even though the flight was 17 hours long.  Cheers!

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Nancy Wilson wrote:
> Actually, NZ time runs faster.  It is tomorrow there today.  When I visited NZ in 2003, I arrived on the same day, even though the flight was 17 hours long.  Cheers!

I will add something in favor too: the air is cleaner there if 
the mountains keep quiet. But there are some cons to add as well.

Of course that hole in the ozone layer is closer by too so 
more UV and on the other hand enough ozone where you don't 
want it: the shoreline is one of the longest of any country. 
Epson must have made the wrong calculations.

Anyone around long enough to remember the orange plague with 
Epson dyes that was worst along the coast of California ?


Met vriendelijke groeten,Ernst


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I just read the hands on review of the 3800 here

 http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/epson-3800.shtml

and noticed in the list of paper profiles that there are separate
profiles for EAM and EEM.  In light of the recently discussed Epson
ads, do you suppose they are now marketing a true archival paper under
the EAM name?


Regards,
Clayton


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