Digital BW, The Print

Roller marks with the 3800??!?!

Since my preferred paper is Innova F, this recent report is very worrying.

I haven't ordered my printer yet -- and maybe I won't be...

How many current users have experienced this?

(Adding a 2 or 2.5 second drying delay *per pass* is completely unacceptable
for me. That would make the wait for a large print to print unbearable.)

Dave.

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My Photography: http://www.david-keenan.com
My Blog: http://www.david-keenan.com/euroblog


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David;

The paper in question was not FAP, but Premier's Platinum Luster Rag 
which mau behave very differently-it certainly prints differently, 
the best Dmax I got out of it was 2.03. The printer has a very 
elaborate platen adjustment procedure, and the problem may go away 
once the gap (and pressure on the paper) is adjusted properly. Don't 
panic yet.

Steve Kaerafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Keenan" 
<ausdlk@...> wrote:
>
> Roller marks with the 3800??!?!
> 
> Since my preferred paper is Innova F, this recent report is very 
worrying.
> 
> I haven't ordered my printer yet -- and maybe I won't be...
> 
> How many current users have experienced this?
> 
> (Adding a 2 or 2.5 second drying delay *per pass* is completely 
unacceptable
> for me. That would make the wait for a large print to print 
unbearable.)

> 
> Dave.
> 
> -- 
> My Photography: http://www.david-keenan.com
> My Blog: http://www.david-keenan.com/euroblog
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This printer does not have vacuum paper transport.  Doesn't this make pizza
rollers necessary if you want to get the best resolution out of it?  And we
know what pizza rollers do on glossy papers; this is not new!?

Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David
Keenan
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:32 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] roller marks with 3800 (was: Re: Epson 3800 for
digital negatives? )

Roller marks with the 3800??!?!

Since my preferred paper is Innova F, this recent report is very worrying.

I haven't ordered my printer yet -- and maybe I won't be...

How many current users have experienced this?

(Adding a 2 or 2.5 second drying delay *per pass* is completely unacceptable
for me. That would make the wait for a large print to print unbearable.)

Dave.



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I have done custom paper setups for Silver Rag, F-Gloss, and F-Gloss warm tone, This includes going through the platen gap adj. procedure.  What surprised me was that F-Gloss warm tone had less of an issue with dry time then the whiter F-Gloss. Silver Rag had the least scratching, if any, but I increased the dry time for these papers to 1 sec. to be safe. At 1 sec I still had marks on the standard F-Gloss. It does print beautifully on the 3800 though.

Andy

---- Steven Karafyllakis <stevekphoto@...> wrote: 

> David;
> 
> The paper in question was not FAP, but Premier's Platinum Luster Rag 
> which mau behave very differently-it certainly prints differently, 
> the best Dmax I got out of it was 2.03. The printer has a very 
> elaborate platen adjustment procedure, and the problem may go away 
> once the gap (and pressure on the paper) is adjusted properly. Don't 
> panic yet.
> 
> Steve Kaerafyllakis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Keenan" 
> <ausdlk@...> wrote:
> >
> > Roller marks with the 3800??!?!
> > 
> > Since my preferred paper is Innova F, this recent report is very 
> worrying.
> > 
> > I haven't ordered my printer yet -- and maybe I won't be...
> > 
> > How many current users have experienced this?
> > 
> > (Adding a 2 or 2.5 second drying delay *per pass* is completely 
> unacceptable
> > for me. That would make the wait for a large print to print 
> unbearable.)
> > 
> > Dave.
> > 
> > -- 
> > My Photography: http://www.david-keenan.com
> > My Blog: http://www.david-keenan.com/euroblog
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
>

Hi,

An observation using my 3800.  By mistake I loaded an RC paper wrong 
side up.  The ink puddled all over the place, but there were no pizza 
tracks and even more amazing, no smearing or smudging of the wet ink.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@...> wrote:
>
> This printer does not have vacuum paper transport.  Doesn't this 
make pizza
> rollers necessary if you want to get the best resolution out of 
it?  And we
> know what pizza rollers do on glossy papers; this is not new!?
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of 
David
> Keenan
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:32 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] roller marks with 3800 (was: Re: Epson 3800 
for
> digital negatives? )
> 
> Roller marks with the 3800??!?!
> 
> Since my preferred paper is Innova F, this recent report is very 
worrying.
> 
> I haven't ordered my printer yet -- and maybe I won't be...
> 
> How many current users have experienced this?
> 
> (Adding a 2 or 2.5 second drying delay *per pass* is completely 
unacceptable
> for me. That would make the wait for a large print to print 
unbearable.)

> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:
>
> David;
> 
> The paper in question was not FAP, but Premier's Platinum Luster Rag 


Steve, can you tell us anything about your experiences with this
paper? Including inksets tried with it?
Thanks,
Tyler

Hi Tyler;

I can't say much positive about this paper; I tried it with the MIS 
K4 (R1800) and the Epson K3 (3800). Pk inks in both cases. It flat 
out will not work with the Epson inks-it gets muddy around 1.2 and 
maxes at 1.4 with an ugly flat look to it that makes you wonder why 
they even put it on the market. 
With the MIS inks the results were better, reaching a damax of 2.0 
without the haze and flatness of the Epson inks. Still, hardly worth 
the trouble considering the much higher dmax of some other PK rag 
papers. 

OK, one moderately good thing: the surface texture is not as 
pronounced (or obnoxious) as some of those higher damx papers.

I tried a couple others as well; The Premier art natural is nice if 
you want a warm platinum look; dmax around 1.63  The Fine Art BW is 
similar but with OBAs, dmax around 1.65.

The papers that have impressed me most recently around Lumijet; They 
have a matte white and a natural that both reached a damx of 1.71 
with Eboni and K3 inks.

I will work with those two a bit more and report back, but on first 
impression I think we have a viable alternative to HPR in both 
neutral and warm base colors.

I found the sample pack at atlex.com, if anyone wants to test them.

Regards,

Steven Karafyllakis

In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
> Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@> wrote:
> >
> > David;
> > 
> > The paper in question was not FAP, but Premier's Platinum Luster 
Rag 

> 
> 
> Steve, can you tell us anything about your experiences with this
> paper? Including inksets tried with it?
> Thanks,
> Tyler
>

Steve,

Isn't the Premier Platinum Rag just the old Premier Luster Rag with a  
new name?  Surface and coating were both bad as was QC (ragged edges,  
paper curl, etc.) with the latter.  It was designed for MK black -  
not PK, but even with Eboni or Epson MK dmax was low.  Not worth  
bothering with in my opinion.

Carl

On Jan 12, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Steven Karafyllakis wrote:

> Hi Tyler;
>
> I can't say much positive about this paper; I tried it with the MIS
> K4 (R1800) and the Epson K3 (3800). Pk inks in both cases. It flat
> out will not work with the Epson inks-it gets muddy around 1.2 and
> maxes at 1.4 with an ugly flat look to it that makes you wonder why
> they even put it on the market.
> With the MIS inks the results were better, reaching a damax of 2.0
> without the haze and flatness of the Epson inks. Still, hardly worth
> the trouble considering the much higher dmax of some other PK rag
> papers.
>
> OK, one moderately good thing: the surface texture is not as
> pronounced (or obnoxious) as some of those higher damx papers.
>
> I tried a couple others as well; The Premier art natural is nice if
> you want a warm platinum look; dmax around 1.63  The Fine Art BW is
> similar but with OBAs, dmax around 1.65.
>
> The papers that have impressed me most recently around Lumijet; They
> have a matte white and a natural that both reached a damx of 1.71
> with Eboni and K3 inks.
>
> I will work with those two a bit more and report back, but on first
> impression I think we have a viable alternative to HPR in both
> neutral and warm base colors.
>
> I found the sample pack at atlex.com, if anyone wants to test them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Karafyllakis
>
> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> <tyler@...> wrote:

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tyler;
> 
> I can't say much positive about this paper...

thanks for the info, it saves me some testing...

> The papers that have impressed me most recently around Lumijet...

in the past they were simply rebranded Hahnemühle, I wonder what these
may be??
Thanks,
Tyler

The atlex site claims them (Lumijet)to be made by Hahnemuhle and they 
behave like that, but are agood bit more reasonable in price.

Steve

> 
> > The papers that have impressed me most recently around Lumijet...
> 
> in the past they were simply rebranded Hahnemühle, I wonder what these
> may be??
> Thanks,
> Tyler
>